Looking to play modded Fallout 3 and FNV for the first time

[ianpwilliams]

Having said that, even the BOSS webpage suggests using LOOT instead for Fallout 3, so shall I try that instead?

[ianpwilliams]

Ok I'm trying LOOT instead. It's found Fallout, and it's listing all the DLCs and the unofficial patch, but none of the mods. Is it supposed to list the mods?

 

I have noticed that with NMM, it lists the Fallout mod directory as "D:\Games\Nexus Mod Manager\Fallout3\Mods", but Fallout is actually in "D:\Program Files\Fallout 3 GOTY", and all the guides I've read say that the mods should be in the Data folder of the Fallout directory.

 

EDIT: Didn't realise you had to double-click each mod in NMM to install it. Working my way through the list now...

Edited September 9, 2015 by ianpwilliams

[ianpwilliams]

I'm now at the stage where all my mods are installed, and when I run LOOT in sums up all the mods and plugins with no errors (I had a few errors to begin with, which I managed to get rid of).

 

I now have a list which has various warnings etc, and some mods have a link to "Fix with FO3 Edit", although the guide says to run FO3 Edit, so I'll try that instead.

 

A couple of concerns which I have at the moment are, that I installed each mod on the mod list in NMM in order from top to bottom, but I realise now that I should probably have done that in a particular order. Is it too late to uninstall them all via NMM, and then install them all again in a particular order?

 

Also, I didn't do the thing of playing Fallout up to the point of exiting the vault and then saving inside, outside before mods etc. Should I do that too if I'm going to uninstall the mods?

[ianpwilliams]

I've had a look online and found a few people's mod load order lists which include most of my chosen mods, so I'm thinking I better try following one of those lists.

 

However, if I uninstall all my current mods (within NMM), will my Fallout data folder effectively be returned to its original state? Or would I be better off uninstalling Fallout and all DLC and starting again from scratch (something I would rather not do if possible, having patched it, edited the .ini etc following the guide)?

[Ethreon]

Safest would be to uninstall and clean everything after, then reinstall game+DLs, then mods.

[ianpwilliams]

When you say clean everything after the uninstall, do you mean delete the Fallout folder and the Fallout folder in the documents should there be files left (which I'm sure there will be)?

 

Also I'm guessing that I can leave the utilities as they are, especially NMM with all of the mods downloaded (but deactivated), as the archives are in the NMM folder so shouldn't cause issues.

[Ethreon]

Correct.

[ianpwilliams]

OK uninstalling everything.

 

I found a mod install order online, which is this:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

CALIBR.esm

xCALIBR.esm

20th Century Weapons.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp

zeta tweaks.esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vendor).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Containers).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (NPC_Settler).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vault 101).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (RivetCity).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Raider).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Slaver).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (SuperMutant).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Talon_Regulator).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast).esp

20th Century v5 ALIVE (TEST Container).esp

Door2destroyedCitadelv2.esp

BlackWolf Backpack.esp

AutoAim_6000_v1.0.esp

Human Catapult.esp

SniperZooming.esp

ARTNightVision-No AP drain.esp

Tailor Maid.esp

Tailor Maid Anchorage.esp

GreenWorld.esp

Tailor Maid ZETA.esp

StarFox.esp

Feng Shui.esp

PureWater-VeryClearNoRad-.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Fellout-Anchorage.esp

Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp

Fellout-PointLookout.esp

PersonalTerminal.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

FPS Grenade Hotkey.esp

npc-tracker.esp

KHWeaponscanner.esp

The Groovatron.esp

The Groovatron_DLC_Pitt_Addon.esp

The Groovatron_DLC_PL_Addon.esp

F3UmpaAnimation.esp

vendor tweaks.esp

Sprint Mod.esp

AQFH_C_103.esp

20th Century V5 tweaks.esp

2nd Home at Tenpennys [Engl].esp

The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

So that would mean that my mods would be installed in this order:

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

CALIBR.esm

xCALIBR.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Fellout-Anchorage.esp

Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp

Fellout-PointLookout.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

However, this would still leave the following mods:

CONELRAD 640-1240

Ambient Wasteland 2

Alton IL

A World of Pain

Arefu Expanded v1_7d by Azar

Reykjavik

Mothership Zeta Crew

Ties that Bind

Fallout Wanderer's Edition

Flora Overhaul

Fallout Street Lights (great with Fellout)

NMCs_Texture_Pack_for_FO3

F3ProjectRealityMkI

Adjustable HUD - aHUD

Immersive HUD - iHUD

Enhanced Night Sky

CASM

How would I go about deciding where in the order the rest of the mods should be? Does LOOT arrange the mods and plugins in any particular order? Because from Fallout 3.esm to Zeta.esm the order is the same. After that thought it changes, going with Unofficial Fallout Patch, A World of Pain, Craft, Caliber etc. But seeing as the mods aren't in alphabetical order or anything, maybe this would be a good order to install them?

I've also noticed that where certain mods have multiple elements to them in the online list (e.g. MMM for all the DLCs), not all of them seem to be listed in LOOT. MMM for example just has the main one (twice in fact, in separate places), DLC Broken Steel and DLC Zeta. But there's no Anchorage, Pitt etc.

 

[Ethreon]

FWE nexus page - if you read that, they describe sets of rules to go with when arranging plugins in your load order.

[ianpwilliams]

Oh yes I remember you mentioned that. There is a "FWE Master Release - Recommended Load Order" on that page. That list seems to be about what order to load the mods when running FO3 Edit. So should I also install the mods in that order in NMM?