Enclave pretty much defeated at this point?

[ModelV]

A single high altitude Vertibird could have destroyed the pentagon the brotherhood dont have AA weapons.

Uhhhh pretty sure Vertibirds are like helicopters, and could be shot down by a well aimed missile launcher, just like in-game

 

Okay load up Fallout New Vegas. Grab a Missile Launcher. Go find a Crow, Scare it so it flies off then try shooting it down.

 

HIGH ALTITUDE Vertibird means too high to shoot down without a guided AA system.

[minngarm]

Game mechanics wouldnt allow it but in a reallity situation even with the fallout lore, you could shoot them down with a anti-material rifle, its part of its function.

[ModelV]

Game mechanics wouldnt allow it but in a reallity situation even with the fallout lore, you could shoot them down with a anti-material rifle, its part of its function.

 

Brotherhood of steel DONT HAVE anti-materiel rifles. And ive never heard of a sniper rifle shooting down a plane before.

[minngarm]

Model youll need to research that then, WWI WWII Korea and Vietnam saw many aircraft shot down to "small arms" fire, not to mention the Anti-material rifles are designed to destroy light armor, and would work wonders on those turbines. Now Brotherhood would logically have some, or just use their gauss rifle equivelants. And with the power armor, it would be far easier to target as I imagine some sort of HUD effect to help compensate for targeting.

 

EDIT: actually heres one for ya, was only 3 years ago or so: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f6787349-2880-42fe-aa50-3ac9da60875d

Edited October 5, 2011 by minngarm

[lukertin]

[HIGH ALTITUDE Vertibird means too high to shoot down without a guided AA system.

How do you know there is such thing as a high altitude vertibird?

 

Helicopters don't generally fly in the range considered 'high altitude', bombers fly at heights over 30k feet (i.e., the B-52, stealth bombers fly even higher, the B-2 has a cruise altitude of 40k ft), the world record altitude for a helicopter is barely over 10k feet. I don't imagine a vertibird could even top that, since it's designed to ferry troops and attack ground positions, not fly as high as possible.

 

There is no evidence the enclave has any such technology resembling a B-2 stealth bomber, or even an operating B-52 in their hands.

Edited October 5, 2011 by lukertin

[Fallout10mm]

The brotherhood specifically designed the tesla cannon to destroy vertibirds as they didnt have anything that could easly take down vertibirds (That was man-portable) Thats not to say they dont have anything stationary that could take it out, just they needed something a single soldier could use in the field on the attack. And after the events at the purifyer the brotherhood has PLENTY of plasma based weapons

 

Now I've yet to see a vertibird drop anything larger then a mininuke or fly more then a couple hundred feet off the ground, so I dout they'd have a vertibird that would beable to drop what would have to be a Megaton sized bomb on the pentagon, and most of what the brotherhood uses as a base there is what survived the Great war and would likely survive without major loss (unless they got reallly really lucky and droped it RIGHT as the lab silo doors were open)

 

I dout Eden or Autumn would nuke it in anycase as with the capital building and other symbols of the prewar government, they'd want to take and hold them to show the wasteland how powerful they are and why they should support the enclave. Now as for why they could nuke Liberty Prime no problem was that he was the biggest threat the brotherhood had, and was attacking a major enclave base,

[ModelV]

@Minngarm

 

East coast brotherhood dont have gauss weapons either...Its been forever since youve played F3 hasnt it? Well im sure its the same for a lot of people so i wont hold it against you. And i said i had never heard of it not that it couldnt happen but that link seems to point to a helicopter being shot down.

 

@Lukertin

 

A vertibird is not a helicopter. Its a hybrid between a helicopter and an airplane basically having all the advantages of both without the draw backs. A high altitude Vertibird is any vertibird where the pilot simply decides to fly it higher then normal. Those twin engines are more then capable of getting it as high or even higher then any propeller operated aircraft in real life.

 

@Fallout10mm

 

Yes thats what the Tesla cannon was used for but it was designed and made after they had been fighting vertibirds for awhile and i havent seen any type of AA weapon besides liberty prime and they had a fairly large window to bomb the place when it was offline.

 

Considering the giant hole in the pentagon im just going to say it didnt take a direct hit with a nuke and after 200 years of degrading even after the brotherhood "fortified" it the pentagon would be easily taken out by aerial bombs even traditional explosives not necessarily mini nukes.

 

 

But anyway they could have also just rushed the Pentagon with vertibirds and hot drop enclave troops in and taken that place. But they didnt infact the Enclave didnt try any kind of offensive action against the brotherhood of steel anywhere in Fallout 3.

Edited October 6, 2011 by ModelV

[minngarm]

Thought we were talking west coast BoS lol, but if its east, well they have the aforementioned(sp) Tesla cannons, not to mention the database at the pentagon which would likely hold details for stationary anti aircraft at least. As for how high a Vertibird could fly, no clue, its never discussed, but I imagine it on par with the IRL Ospray which is an actual aircraft and not a helicoptor.

 

The VTOL mechanics allow it to operate with the same ease and nimble agility as a chopper but it also can push up to high altittudes which you do see the props on the vertibirds rotating to positions that would allow it a higher operating ceiling than a normal chopper.

[ModelV]

Tesla cannon wasnt built until after liberty prime was destroyed as they needed some kind of replacement for him against vertibirds but again the Enclave never made ANY offensive action against the brotherhood of steel in F3 all conflicts had BoS striking first.

[lukertin]

@Lukertin

 

A vertibird is not a helicopter. Its a hybrid between a helicopter and an airplane basically having all the advantages of both without the draw backs. A high altitude Vertibird is any vertibird where the pilot simply decides to fly it higher then normal. Those twin engines are more then capable of getting it as high or even higher then any propeller operated aircraft in real life.

The FO Vertibird looks exactly like a V-22 Osprey, and operates in basically an identical manner. Granted it isn't exactly a helicopter, the Osprey's specifications are illuminating in this matter: it has a maximum altitude of 10k feet. Even if you assume that the Vertibird is more technologically advanced than the an Osprey (apparently they're redesigning the Osprey so it can reach an altitude of 12-14k feet), you are still no where near 'high altitude' level you claim. Things aren't 'high altitude' just because you want it to be. You first stated a high altitude means it is out of range of conventional ground to air AA, now you're defining it as "it's high altitude if the pilot flies it higher than normal" LOL What??

 

This missile launcher can be deployed by single troops and is capable of reaching altitudes of 12k, and it was made 50 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger

Edited October 6, 2011 by lukertin