General Load Order Help

[Tacocubes]

Hi I just need some help figuring out my load order and possibly other things like missing patches, things with wrye bash or tes5edit or whatever. I had LOOT help me sort my plugins, identify mods that needed cleaning and other things. I have no problems with slow scripts and my game runs fairly decent on low settings. My mod list is fairly large, so I think that in itself causes some stability issues. My game still silently crashes every so often in random places where you wouldn't think it would crash. Inside a small, cozy building. During a relaxed conversation with an npc. And seemingly right as i press the esc. button to save my game, which is a bit annoying.

 

Here's my load order:

 

I'm too lazy to type in the actual names of the mods, so sorry if you're having trouble identifying some of them.

 

Honestly, I'll be surprised if there isn't something wrong with this

 

I know I'll need to rebuild the bashed patch after changing this load order

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

3 3 Dawnguard.esm

4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

5 5 HearthFires.esm

6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

7 7 Dragonborn.esm

8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

10 a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

13 d loud waterfalls.esp

14 e SkyUI.esp

15 f Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

16 10 RaceMenu.esp

17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

18 12 ETaC - Complete.esp

19 13 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

20 14 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp

21 15 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

22 16 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

23 17 Rebirth Monster.esp

24 18 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

25 19 SoS - The Wilds.esp

26 1a SoS - Civilization.esp

27 1b SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp

28 1c OBIS.esp

29 1d localizedguildjobs.esp

30 1e Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

31 1f SoS - The Dungeons.esp

32 20 OBISDB.esp

33 21 towConversation.esp

34 22 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

35 23 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

36 24 Serana.esp

37 25 InvisibleGloves.esp

38 26 MoreSmithing.esp

39 27 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp

40 28 ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp

41 29 Immersive Whiterun.esp

42 2a icebreaker's dragon bite removal.esp

43 2b Immersive Weapons.esp

44 2c Unique Uniques.esp

45 2d Immersive Solstheim.esp

46 2e Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

47 2f IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp

48 30 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

49 31 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

50 32 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

51 33 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

52 34 Extended UI.esp

53 35 exploreskyrim.esp

54 36 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

55 37 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

56 38 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

57 39 AHZmoreHUD.esp

58 3a AMatterOfTime.esp

59 3b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

60 3c ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

61 3d ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp

62 3e BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

63 3f Cloaks.esp

64 40 Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp

65 41 magerobesthen8mare.esp

66 42 JaxonzUtilities.esp

67 43 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

68 44 CWINPCImprovements.esp

69 45 DeadlyDragons.esp

70 46 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

71 47 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp

72 48 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

73 49 Bijin Wives.esp

74 4a Crafting potion duration affected by alchemy.esp

75 4b Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

76 4c ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp

77 4d ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp

78 4e Apocalypse - The Spell Package (Workshop).esp

79 4f dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

80 50 Apocalypse (Workshop) - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

81 51 Serana No Hood.esp

82 52 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

83 53 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

84 54 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edited September 13, 2015 by Tacocubes

[Tacocubes]

Edit: Sorry! I posted the exact load order as the post above! This is the actual new load order that I have. (The serana no hood was deactivated prior to rebuilding the bashed patch. That's why it's indented like that) Update: After further study of Wrye Bash, I was able to come to some conclusions and edit my load order accordingly. I'm still unsure of where exactly I should have placed these mods. But at least all my active mods show up as green checkmarks in wrye bash as they actually did not all have green checks before.

 

Here's my new load order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

3 3 Dawnguard.esm

4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

5 5 HearthFires.esm

6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

7 7 Dragonborn.esm

8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

10 a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

13 d loud waterfalls.esp

14 e SkyUI.esp

15 f Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

16 10 RaceMenu.esp

17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

18 12 BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

19 13 ETaC - Complete.esp

20 14 ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp

21 15 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

22 16 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp

23 17 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

24 18 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

25 19 Rebirth Monster.esp

26 1a Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

27 1b SoS - The Wilds.esp

28 1c SoS - Civilization.esp

29 1d SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp

30 1e OBIS.esp

31 1f localizedguildjobs.esp

32 20 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

33 21 SoS - The Dungeons.esp

34 22 OBISDB.esp

35 23 towConversation.esp

36 24 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

37 25 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

38 26 Serana.esp

39 27 InvisibleGloves.esp

40 28 MoreSmithing.esp

41 29 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp

42 2a ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp

43 2b Immersive Whiterun.esp

44 2c icebreaker's dragon bite removal.esp

45 2d Immersive Weapons.esp

46 2e Unique Uniques.esp

47 2f Immersive Solstheim.esp

48 30 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

49 31 IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp

50 32 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

51 33 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

52 34 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

53 35 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

54 36 Extended UI.esp

55 37 exploreskyrim.esp

56 38 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

57 39 Apocalypse - The Spell Package (Workshop).esp

58 3a Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

59 3b Apocalypse (Workshop) - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

60 3c DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

61 3d AHZmoreHUD.esp

62 3e AMatterOfTime.esp

63 3f ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

64 40 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

65 41 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp

66 42 Cloaks.esp

67 43 Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp

68 44 magerobesthen8mare.esp

69 45 JaxonzUtilities.esp

70 46 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

71 47 CWINPCImprovements.esp

72 48 DeadlyDragons.esp

73 49 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

74 4a SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp

75 4b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

76 4c Bijin Wives.esp

77 4d Crafting potion duration affected by alchemy.esp

78 4e Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

79 4f ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp

80 50 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

Serana No Hood.esp

81 51 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

82 52 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

83 53 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edited September 13, 2015 by Tacocubes

[ZelenEagle]

i have excactly the same issues so i'll let you know if i find anything

[newzilla7]

Couple of things that might help.

 

- Do you have the memory patch SKSE ini installed? It forces SKSE to requisition more memory initally. It also uncaps Skyrim to 4 GB maximum, if you have the RAM for it. Both of those maximize stability.

 

- Do you have any major ini edits like changing uGridsToLoad? Some edits, while not necessarily horrible, can destabilize the game.

 

- Did you resort in Wrye Bash to fix the orange checkmarks? If you did, I would recommend sorting with LOOT again and then testing the mods to make sure they work correctly WITHOUT resorting in Wrye Bash. Especially with the ETaC patches, the load order it wants is actually bad, and Wrye Bash can't tell the difference. If you have no issues, use LOOT's load order and use "sort masters" in TES5Edit to fix the checkmarks.

 

- Are you running Skyrim with ENBoost and the fullscreen borderless mode for ENB? While more of a graphics hack, this can increase stability tremendously. You'll need to install ENBoost correctly and then set these lines in enblocal.ini:

 

ForceBorderless=true
ForceBorderlessFullscreen=true

Hope that helps! I have 230+ mods running at 40-50 FPS right now with few CTDs, so if you have any other questions for me feel free to PM.

[Tacocubes]

Couple of things that might help.

 

- Do you have the memory patch SKSE ini installed? It forces SKSE to requisition more memory initally. It also uncaps Skyrim to 4 GB maximum, if you have the RAM for it. Both of those maximize stability.

 

- Do you have any major ini edits like changing uGridsToLoad? Some edits, while not necessarily horrible, can destabilize the game.

 

- Did you resort in Wrye Bash to fix the orange checkmarks? If you did, I would recommend sorting with LOOT again and then testing the mods to make sure they work correctly WITHOUT resorting in Wrye Bash. Especially with the ETaC patches, the load order it wants is actually bad, and Wrye Bash can't tell the difference. If you have no issues, use LOOT's load order and use "sort masters" in TES5Edit to fix the checkmarks.

 

- Are you running Skyrim with ENBoost and the fullscreen borderless mode for ENB? While more of a graphics hack, this can increase stability tremendously. You'll need to install ENBoost correctly and then set these lines in enblocal.ini:

 

ForceBorderless=true
ForceBorderlessFullscreen=true

Hope that helps! I have 230+ mods running at 40-50 FPS right now with few CTDs, so if you have any other questions for me feel free to PM.

 

I did not initially have the SKSE.ini enabled in my SKSE folder. But I was able to easily find out how to enable it, so now I have the ini folder! Thanks for mentioning that. I did not know about it and should help me tremendously!

 

In my Skyrim.ini (NOT Skyrimprefs.ini) I have the following changes:

 

[Papyrus]

fUpdateBudgetMS=800

fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000

bEnableLogging=0

bEnableTrace=0

bLoadDebugInformation=0

iMinMemoryPageSize=256

iMaxMemoryPageSize=512

iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=2457600

[Display]

iLocation X=40

iLocation Y=-20

(This is so the game window is centered perfectly on my screen and not on the top left corner when playing in windowed mode.)

And at the end of Display section I have these changes:

fDefaultWorldFOV=80

fDefault1stPersonFOV=80.0000

AND in the Skyrimprefs.ini I have this change under General settings:

fdefaultfov=80

(I made these changes to permanantly change the field of view in my game to something more realistic without having to change it manually via the console all the time. The default fov is far too narrow and almost makes me naseous.)

I hope these changes are okay.

 

I'll see what I can do about fixing the orange checkmarks. I'm just unsure how everything will play out. I feel uncomfortable making all these changes.

 

As for ENBoost, I decided to download that as well but I am very unsure as what to do with VideomemorysizeMb settings in the ini file. The STEP wiki guide (Which really isn't easy for me to follow) gives me a formula to set it. Since I have only 4GB ram on my LAPTOP, I very carefully followed the formula Dedicated video memory plus system RAM - 2048. Except I got a negative value.... I have 128 + 4 - 2048. That can't possibly be right. How do I set VideoMemorysizeMb?

[Tacocubes]

PS. I hate how I have to go look for guides and hear things from other people that I didn't know about to figure out how the hell to do all this crap...

[Tacocubes]

I followed all your advice. My game seems much more stable so far. I played for a couple hours and not a single crash. That's very encouraging.

[Tacocubes]

Here's my new load order after resorting through LOOT and sorting masters through TES5Edit:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

3 3 Dawnguard.esm

4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

5 5 HearthFires.esm

6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

7 7 Dragonborn.esm

8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

10 a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

13 d loud waterfalls.esp

14 e SkyUI.esp

15 f Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

16 10 RaceMenu.esp

17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

18 12 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

19 13 Rebirth Monster.esp

20 14 SoS - The Wilds.esp

21 15 SoS - Civilization.esp

22 16 SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp

23 17 OBIS.esp

24 18 localizedguildjobs.esp

25 19 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

26 1a SoS - The Dungeons.esp

27 1b OBISDB.esp

28 1c towConversation.esp

29 1d TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

30 1e NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

31 1f Serana.esp

32 20 InvisibleGloves.esp

33 21 MoreSmithing.esp

34 22 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp

35 23 Unique Uniques.esp

36 24 Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp

37 25 magerobesthen8mare.esp

38 26 JaxonzUtilities.esp

39 27 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp

40 28 Serana No Hood.esp

41 29 Immersive Whiterun.esp

42 2a Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

43 2b Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

44 2c icebreaker's dragon bite removal.esp

45 2d Immersive Weapons.esp

46 2e Immersive Solstheim.esp

47 2f Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

48 30 IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp

49 31 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

50 32 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

51 33 Extended UI.esp

52 34 exploreskyrim.esp

53 35 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

54 36 ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp

55 37 ETaC - Complete.esp

56 38 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

57 39 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp

58 3a ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp

59 3b BetterQuestObjectives.esp

60 3c Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

61 3d BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

62 3e Cloaks.esp

63 3f ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp

64 40 Apocalypse - The Spell Package (Workshop).esp

65 41 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

66 42 Apocalypse (Workshop) - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

67 43 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

68 44 AHZmoreHUD.esp

69 45 AMatterOfTime.esp

70 46 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

71 47 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

72 48 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp

73 49 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

74 4a CWINPCImprovements.esp

75 4b DeadlyDragons.esp

76 4c ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

77 4d ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

78 4e Bijin Wives.esp

79 4f Crafting potion duration affected by alchemy.esp

80 50 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

81 51 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

82 52 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

83 53 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

84 54 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[newzilla7]

If you're running much more stably, I wouldn't worry about those ini edits. The Papyrus changes may or may not cause some problems. You can decide yourself if it's worth looking it up.

 

For ENBoost, what it means is (and I know this is very unclear) system memory in MB, so it comes out to 128 + 4096 - 2048 = 2176.

 

In almost every case LOOT will end up with not just a working load order but the best order. If you end up with major glitches, trust Wrye Bash. Otherwise, going witH LOOT should be best.

[Tacocubes]

After more playing, I still get random crashes actually. My game immediately crashed once upon loading last save, and crashed randomly somewhere in the ratway tunnels. Vanilla Skyrim for sure would not crash in those places. I think I'm going to trust Wrye Bash on this one.