Update on NMM version 0.60 and FAQ

[gyrofalcon]

Will just point out that I use NMM 0.60.3, and all is well. I did read the warning, I did install 0.60, got a crash, filed a report, and Staff released 0.60.1 within a hour.

 

Just for fun I installed Skyrim again, and all my old mods was there. Outdated, of course, since NMM did not download any new versions of the mods.

I might need to run LOOT once more, to get the plugins in right order. But that would be expected, since the game hasn't been touch in 10 months...

 

So I have no clue what's makes people go haywire over this.

#Warnings was given, a lot.

#Info about the slightly difference between mod enable, disable and un-install was given.

#Info of how to roll-back was clearly in the News-post.

#This is a beta software.

#Its free.

#Nexus are doing us a favour with this service.

 

I looking back at the last few days, and are left feeling hopeless and disbelief in mankind.

Yes, most of us are no computer geeks and need help when problem arises. But then be humble and please read.

If you are fiddling with forces you don't know/master, you need to be extra careful. Or you will get burned.

 

Now I looking forward to use the Profile system, so I can have a unique setup for each play-through...

[voodoojedizin]

Well it totally screwed up my game thank you very much.

 

I just opened it up to rearrange some mods, saw the updating, clicked on it.

 

Then I get to spend the next 2 hours completely uninstalling everything and then reinstalling.

 

You can't just migrate by uninstalling and then restalling, many of these mods have, a order in which they need to be installed, as well as choices to their installation.

 

Hard to believe no one working there knows this.!

[unhot]

In response to post #28799344. #28799979, #28801029, #28801234, #28802034 are all replies on the same post.

Vyxenne wrote:

Dear Dark One:

 

Sometimes, I think it is difficult to see the forest because all the trees are in the way. I just read your post above, and would like to offer you a different perspective- MY perspective as a long-time Nexus fan (I have been using my husband's account for years and only recently established my own Nexus account.)

 

You said you were surprised that so many people just blindly accepted the NMM upgrade. This is because over the years, NMM has been largely stable and trouble-free, and a tremendous help to us in managing our mods- and much more user-friendly than MO. Each upgrade has been an improvement over the previous version, and we have received upgrades quite frequently. In other words, based on years of good releases, we trusted you, your expertise and your "product." Based on that trust, when NMM said an upgrade was available, we didn't think twice: click, click, clicketty-click. The outrage now is largely because you betrayed our trust with NMM 0.6.

 

You said that there were warnings in the new version that should have tipped us off that this upgrade was dangerous (my paraphrasing). You're exactly right: the warnings were IN THE NEW VERSION and came only after it was far too late to back out of the upgrade- our Skyrim was already bricked by the time we got the warnings. As someone posted in the Boo thread, the warnings are on the inside of the can. The only choices at that point were [No] or [Cancel] and manually install all your mods (because NMM has already trashed them) or [Yes] to continue and let NMM *try* to fix your system. Epic fail. The warning should have been BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE TO BACK OUT AND LEAVE OUR PAINSTAKINGLY-ASSEMBLED AND NURTURED WORKING GAME INSTALLATION INTACT. However, in all fairness, even had I received clear warnings of the impending destruction in time to leave my system intact, I probably would've clicked [YES] anyway because I trusted you and never imagined you folks would unleash something so destructive on your fans and supporters. Only in hindsight did it become clear to me what I should have done. The warning should, at the very least, have been clearer about the imminent destruction and included a strong recommendation to quit NMM now and back up our entire game installation.

 

You said in the Boo thread, sarcastically, "...or you could go here [link] for help" but the "here" is undocumented, not linked to from anywhere that I can find, not returned in a Google search for "Nexus Mod Manager Support" and particularly not conspicuously linked to from within the NMM interface as far as I can see (Of course, I have never needed NMM support before, so I have not searched diligently for a support link within NMM, and based on what it just did to me, there is no way I'm going to open NMM 0.6 ever again in my lifetime.) Especially with a "potentially destructive release" like NMM 0.60 that deliberately destroys our working game installation and *hopes to* reconstruct it but has ZERO revert or undo capability, there should have been before-the-destruction warnings. On a so-called "beta" product (0.60 acted more like a pre-alpha release, but I digress), there should be a conspicuous [sUPPORT] button on the NMM Header. We are merely users. We do not spend all day, every day, dealing with The Nexus and/or Nexus Mod Manager. How are we supposed to know about hidden "support" forums when they are not conspicuously linked to from Nexus mod pages and/or the Nexus Forums pages, and not returned in Google searches using the logical search terms?

 

You seem to be complaining that nobody read the "Site News." Where is that? Even when you mentioned it in your post here, you did not provide a link to it. There is no [sITE NEWS] button on this page's header frame, nor is there a "Site News" sticky at http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?. Again, we don't spend all day every day here, and don't know where to go for what unless someone who DOES spend all day every day here helps us by providing conspicuous links.

 

So, half a day after the rogue NMM update acted like malware and destroyed my Skyrim installation with no way to opt out of it until it was already too late and no revert or undo function whatsoever, I STILL do not know how to reach the alleged page that details a recovery process. All I know for sure is that you think these things should be obvious to your users and supporters- but they are not only not obvious, they seem to have been hidden by design- otherwise there would be conspicuous links to them everywhere on the Nexus.

 

Hope this helps clear up some of your bafflement regarding the reasons for the uproar, confusion and outrage resulting from the NMM 0.6 disaster. I, personally, feel blindsided and betrayed by an old friend. It would really be great if you could stop developing NMM for a few days and write a recovery tool to help those of us whose games you trashed revert to the pre-NMM 0.60 condition.

Zettadude wrote: This deserves attention. Exactly how I feel.

Though I'm not completely angry, nor am I going to stop using NMM 0.6, I feel like you summed up what a lot of people are feeling here, including me. Thank you for wording it in a way that is not only attention-grabbing, but also informative.

toonamove wrote: I agreed totally with you and your words and feelings.

Yes a "recovery tool" can be really useful for fixing and helping everyone have their game mess up after the last NMM version update.

I can suggest to adding on the future versions a button for "importing" old NMM versions settings and mods dirs with another button for converting to the new NMM system after have imported users configs, but without touching games dirs or uninstalling mods.

Also adding a automatic backup system before the new installed version is started or starting to made any kind of changes, sounds very necessary, for avoid this kind of mess for everyone, and preserve every users modded games.

Toonamove

Morandone wrote: Yup, my feeelings exactly. Trying to put my old Mods back in the corrupted install. Wipe out all the hardlinks first (or whatever they're called) just to be able to write the data of the wiped out mods back, because explorer hangs when trying to replace them.

A warning for backing up the Skyrim-install befor installing NMM would have been nice and helpful.

GothikaGeist wrote: Wasn't the big red warning in the INSTALLER of NMM 0.60.0? You definitely had the chance to avoid this and be informed as to what it does. Regardless, I still think a TES5Edit-type pop-up prompt with a timer should force you to at least acknowledge the fact that 0.60.0 could potentially break your entire setup.

Well said ... several hours later and all is not as it was and rather than spending some time relaxing in the wasteland I'm off to something else.

Very disappointed.

[bben46]

Some people seem to think that profiling is the new version. Profiling is a feature of the new version, NOT the version itself. Profiling is the ability to have more than one set of mods and switch back and forth. To do that you first have to have the NMM working - THEN that becomes the first ( and at this point only) profile available. In order to have another version, you will have to create a new mod list - it may have many of the same mods, not use some, and instead use some entirely different mods. Then, you could use either profile to play - say one version of Skyrim where your character is a Bosmer archer with mods designed to enhance his skills. And the other your player is a Kajit thief, with other mods just for him. Then later, as needed you can have even more profiles for other purposes - such as just testing some new mod you think might be interesting alongside of the rest of your mod list without disturbing the profile that has your original mod list.

 

Can you use it just like the old version without the profiling? Yes, if that is what you want, using profiles is not required. But it will be there if you ever decide to use it.

 

Then it is just like the old version but has this new profiling? - No. in order to get profiling ( and some other things that will be coming in the future) a major redesign of some of the program was needed. So it is not just like the old version. And, nearly all of the 40,000 Alpha testers think it is better. And many probably had more mods than you.

 

My recommendation - just don't update to v0.60 yet if you really don't know what you are getting into. It really is working for a lot of users though - for some reason, the people that it works for are not posting how wonderful it is because it just worked for them, and they are too busy playing the games. :thumbsup:

[PCGirl]

First off, let me thank Dark One for his patience and perseverance. How you can manage to read through all of these comments is beyond me? YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB! I am sorry you are getting so much grief over this, and that once again people are not reading the instructions as they should be.

 

@ Vyxenne While I agree with some of your comments, I disagree with the references you have made to the site news. There are actually two icons for it, quite visible as soon as you open the main page of Nexus. There is a world globe at the top of the page beside your name, and also an icon in the row of icons listing file news, latest news, etc. It is the very first icon in the row marked with a big exclamation point!!!!!

 

I have been a long time user of this site, and while I don't spend my entire day on it, I do find that a simple few minutes and you can find most things you are looking for. There are also moderators listed to help you out if you get stuck, not to mention that most of the users on site are quite helpful as well. You simply have to ask?

 

As with any new mod or tool released there are going to be bugs. I don't care how well it is tested there will always be some glich that is unexpected. No two computers are identical and people have various different set ups and mods installed.

 

@lexx005 Wonderful idea, if more people would realize that as intelligent as machines can be they are still fallible. I have always done a manual load order no matter the version of the NMM as I have over 250 mods installed and a number of them are dependent on load order, i.e. Multiple Adoption Mod for one, which requires any house mod using adoptions to be installed before it.

 

So in general my comment is this, again: Take your bloody time in what you are doing and read the instructions. Never take a mod or tool at face value no matter how long it has been established. This has always been a sore point for a lot of modders, in general, as people will scan through mods, see something they like and, "oooooh I'll install that one" without taking into consideration what it is going to do to your game. The instructions are there for a reason, not just to look pretty on the cover page. Any upgrade to a mod or tool, no matter how long it has been out, will have proper instructions, especially if something has changed.

 

My two cents for what is worth.........

 

Cheers,

Edited September 18, 2015 by PCGirl

[amarino15]

OK so, I am switching over to Mod Organizer. Enough said. but TY to the NMM team for coming in and f*#@ing up the hours upon hours I put into configuring numerous mods. Unbelievable.

[Annafire33]

The only bug i encountered was that it said it reinstalled my mods, but in game they were not actually working, i had to go back and uninstall then reinstall some mods, but honestly, people need to chill out, death threats? really? Anyway, so far i am very pleased with the update and want you guys to keep the good work up.

[shawnhowe]

how disappointing i trusted this to be like my other updates and now instead of enjoying my game this weekend and the many hours i was into it stable 180 mods i now will spend how much time fixing this.

my one hobby my one thing i love to do ruined. thank you.

[AccuSync50]

Sending a death threat for a saved really shows what kind of class asshole a person is ,these things happen. how may times people are advised to back up their saves, back up their saves. i mean seriously? Death threats?

[GeohoundJason]

In response to post #28804049.

shawnhowe wrote: how disappointing i trusted this to be like my other updates and now instead of enjoying my game this weekend and the many hours i was into it stable 180 mods i now will spend how much time fixing this.
my one hobby my one thing i love to do ruined. thank you.

No one forced you to update to the bleeding edge. This is a beta release for a reason.