small problems, brawls wont start, khajiit magic menu failure

[toxicToxophilite]

Title says it all. I'm having two problems that are the most blatant. My first is that my brawls are bugged. Now, this isn't the usual bug. Instead, when I try to start the brawl, the NPC will take my money but then won't do anything and the brawl won't start. If I hit them, it counts as an assault, and i can ask them a hundred times in a row for the brawl and I'll only succeed in losing hundreds of gold. now, my other issue. Magic menu eternally freezes the game upon opening via any method, but only on a khajiit character. Granted I haven't tested all of the races, but I play four characters: an orc, an argonian, and two khajiit, and the magic menus mess up for the khajiit only. I've tried new savegames and all that and idk which mod is doing it.

 

my load order:

 

 

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i use nmm and loot. i do have mod organizer and wyre bash but i am a very stubborn individual who does not like going out of her comfort zone, which is nmm.

[toxicToxophilite]

Bump.

[LeddBate]

I saw "Brawl Bugs" in your load order, but I don't know if it refers to "Brawl Bugs Patch Plug-Ins".

 

If so, sorry. If not, see if that helps you.

[toxicToxophilite]

Yes, it does.

[LeddBate]

Okay, I distantly recall having a similar problem during my first playthrough. I believe it ended up being a mod conflict and I had to simply de-select all my plug-ins, confirm that I could legally "brawl" again, then kept adding back in about 10 plug-ins at a time (and reloading the same save near the person I wanted to brawl with) until I suddenly couldn't brawl anymore. I then went through adding back in those 10 plug-ins one at a time until I found which one was the culprit. I can't for the life of me remember which one it was, but I do remember that I read it's description very, very carefully and realized I needed a patch for another mod I had that was causing the weird side effect of stopping my brawls.

 

Hope that helps...

[toxicToxophilite]

That sounds painful. But not any more painful than other things I've had to do. I'll give it a try and report back.

[naijiri]

I had the same bug and it changed from not starting fights to aborting fights after disabling all plugins and enabling them again.

 

Went necromancer since I did deep research in search engines and found this probable solution nowhere - neither going into stalk nor dismissing my companion had worked for me.

 

Will check what happens after I sort with loot

 

 

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254 FE 1a RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
254 FE 1b Qw_RusticSoulgemsUnsorted_ISC Patch.esp
254 FE 1c RealRabbitsHD.esp
113 71 KS Hairdo's.esp
114 72 CampfireCabin.esp
115 73 Trade & Barter.esp
116 74 CampfirePrimitiveShelter.esp
254 FE 1d DBM_IA_Patch.esp
254 FE 1e DBM_Bloodworm_Patch.esp
254 FE 1f DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp
254 FE 20 DBM_SkyTEST_Patch.esp
254 FE 21 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
117 75 Nerida.esp
254 FE 22 Blackthorn - Hearthfire Fix.esp
254 FE 23 DecoratorHelper.esp
254 FE 24 EBT - skyBirds Patch.esp
254 FE 25 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
254 FE 26 Improved Traps.esp
254 FE 27 MannequinStayPut.esp
254 FE 28 Radiant Quest Marker SE.esp
254 FE 29 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
254 FE 2a THMeeko.esp
254 FE 2b Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
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254 FE 2d Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp
254 FE 2e Vivid Weathers SE - Falskaar.esp
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119 77 NB-FurHoods.esp
120 78 Camel.esp
254 FE 2f HorseCameraTweak.esp
121 79 00MarzWindhelmHome.esp
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123 7b ElysiumEstate.esp
124 7c Citizens.esp
254 FE 30 RAO - ELFX Patch.esp
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126 7e hillinalta2.esp
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128 80 CaesiaFollower.esp
129 81 Dr_Bandolier.esp
130 82 quest_pitfighter.esp
131 83 DravenManor.esp
132 84 armored-horses.esp
133 85 Slof's Unique Frost.esp
134 86 More_Saddles.esp
135 87 FellkreathCottage.esp
136 88 Viking's Longhouse.esp
137 89 WheelsOfLull.esp
254 FE 31 WheelsOfLull - Forgotten City - Bruma Patch.esp
254 FE 32 ForgottenCityBruma.esp
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139 8b OrcHearthfire.esp
140 8c RedguardTrader.esp
141 8d magic of the magna-ge.esp
142 8e KhajiitChildren.esp
143 8f Lucien.esp
144 90 middenexpandedlitesse.esp
145 91 LiviaFollower.esp
146 92 BentPines.esp
147 93 Blubbos_riften_trees_are_visible_from_the_outside_patch.esp
148 94 garm_white.esp
149 95 Lucien-MoonandStar-Patch.esp
254 FE 33 Qw_SofiaFollower_USSEP Patch.esp
150 96 Undriel_FallingGildergreenPetals.esp
151 97 Lucien-Moonpath-Patch.esp
254 FE 34 Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch SSE.esp
152 98 Ravengate.esp
153 99 Swift Steeds.esp
154 9a My Home Is Your Home.esp
155 9b Winterhorse.esp
156 9c Tundra Defense SSE.esp
157 9d Shiri.esp
158 9e TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
254 FE 35 Slof's Horses.esp
159 9f RaceMenu.esp
160 a0 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
161 a1 Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp
162 a2 CBBE.esp
254 FE 36 Qw_CloaksAndCapes_USSEP Patch.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
254 FE 37 RF - Pinevale Cloaks.esp
163 a3 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
164 a4 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
165 a5 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
254 FE 38 Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
166 a6 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
167 a7 JKs Skyrim.esp
168 a8 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
169 a9 The Brotherhood of Old.esp
170 aa Clockwork.esp
254 FE 39 Blowing in the Wind - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
171 ab JKs Skyrim_No Snow Under the Roof_Patch.esp
254 FE 3a JKs Skyrim_Clockwork_Patch.esp
254 FE 3b SoS_ImmersiveCitizens_Patch.esp
254 FE 3c RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
172 ac Convenient Horses.esp
173 ad Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
174 ae KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp
254 FE 3d Qw_BeyondReach_RDO Patch.esp
254 FE 3e Qw_SofiaFollower_RDO Patch.esp
254 FE 3f Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp
254 FE 40 RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE 41 TBoO & SS Patch.esp
254 FE 42 CH GFC_BRU_BRE_FAL_VIG_RGC_HDU.esp
175 af Open Cities Skyrim.esp
176 b0 JKs Skyrim_Open Cities_Patch.esp
254 FE 43 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp
254 FE 44 DBM_OpenCities_Patch.esp
254 FE 45 SoS_OpenCities_Patch.esp
254 FE 46 OCS + Skyrim Sewers.esp
254 FE 47 Blowing in the Wind - Open Cities Skyrim Patch SSE.esp
177 b1 ELFXEnhancer.esp
254 FE 48 SoS_ELFX+Enhancer_Patch.esp
254 FE 49 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
178 b2 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
254 FE 4a RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Reach.esp
254 FE 4b RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp
254 FE 4c RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
254 FE 4d Realistic Water Two - Landscape Fixes.esp
254 FE 4e JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
179 b3 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp

 

 

 

Edit:

Okay, it seemingly didn't fix the whole problem, but it did improve it a little. The fight initiates, but Mikael will stop fighting after some hits. This is quite an improvement to the not-at-all-starting fight, I will play around with the load order in case some adjustment will fix the problem.

 

So, I added Modern Brawl Bug Fix separately to the bottom of my load order, and it's still the same. I believe there might be some mod which is adding a constant spell to the character, but I haven't yet found which one. If that is so, maybe someone knows some "brawl cheat mode" that simply ignores spells? I won't misuse that one anyway, but it might be a solution in some cases.

 

Workaround while looking for a real fix:

 

Start brawl, open console, click enemy, type "kill", close console. The combatant will then fall to his or her knees. Wait until (s)he stands up and talks to you. You will be recognized as the winner. This can be used as a workaround until the real cause is found - as I don't like to brawl anyway, I can somewhat live with that to skip the brawls I need for some quests.

Edited October 20, 2019 by naijiri