Who to gank: Brotherhood or Institute?

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Well, when you talked to Desdemona after getting that ending, you can get her to say something like, the people of the Commonwealth were always a bigger enemy than the Institute. So, umm, yeah, I think the Railroad is a bit more messed up in the head than just not caring about the common good. Really, they only care about the synths, period, and the humans are just tollerated as long as they don't get in the way of that.

At least they don't want to control humans or kill them in any way.

 

The Railroad have demonstrated they will gleefully undertake violence against humans in order to save synths. The language they use when describing other Commonwealth inhabitants is troubling as well, as they tend to generalize them as "Bigots". Without the Institute, the Railroad will need a new target for their moral crusade, so who's to say they won't turn on the "Intolerant" masses that are just struggling to survive? I don't trust the Railroad one bit. For violent ideologues like them, the revolution never stops.

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Well, when you talked to Desdemona after getting that ending, you can get her to say something like, the people of the Commonwealth were always a bigger enemy than the Institute. So, umm, yeah, I think the Railroad is a bit more messed up in the head than just not caring about the common good. Really, they only care about the synths, period, and the humans are just tollerated as long as they don't get in the way of that.

At least they don't want to control humans or kill them in any way.

 

 

Or experiment on them, like the Institute.

 

I don't even consider the Institute a serious option. If I could've created synthetic gorilla super-soldiers? Okay, that might have swayed me. In their present form, it's a resounding no for me.

 

The only reason I b&@*$ on and on about the Railroad is that they could've been a legit contender with the Minutemen if they'd been written a touch differently. Missed opportunities just irk me.

[Boombro]

 

The Railroad have demonstrated they will gleefully undertake violence against humans in order to save synths.

Because for them Synths are human, it like this: would you like it when you see another person discriminated against? No, and that the same for them. It odd and out of character to not do so.

Plus, it the point of the whole faction.

 

 

as they tend to generalize them as "Bigots"

And?

 

 

Without the Institute, the Railroad will need a new target for their moral crusade, so who's to say they won't turn on the "Intolerant" masses that are just struggling to survive? I

Because the wastelanders don't mass produce and enslave Synths?

 

Maybe a faction or group, but all the wastes? Nah

 

 

 

I don't even consider the Institute a serious option. If I could've created synthetic gorilla super-soldiers? Okay, that might have swayed me. In their present form, it's a resounding no for me.

That would be epic.

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as they tend to generalize them as "Bigots"

And?

That sort of mass generalization is a great rationale for violence. Labeling swaths of people as "Capitalists", "Communists", etc., is damn useful when it comes to legitimizing carnage.

 

 

 

 

Without the Institute, the Railroad will need a new target for their moral crusade, so who's to say they won't turn on the "Intolerant" masses that are just struggling to survive? I

Because the wastelanders don't mass produce and enslave Synths?

 

Maybe a faction or group, but all the wastes? Nah

Honestly, does this seem like a great leap for the Railroad in a post-Institute Commonwealth? I'm not talking about the entirety of the Wasteland, obviously, but just groups of people who *might* be prejudiced against synths. The Railroad mostly relies on subterfuge, but what if that fails? I don't think they'd hesitate to have some "Bigots" die as collateral damage for the greater cause of their glorious revolution. They're just too extremist for my taste, same as the BoS.

 

Conversely, would I have been willing to engage in underground violence in order to free human slaves? Maybe. I suppose that answers Desdemona's question about how I value synth life. Truthfully, I want to safeguard sentient beings whenever possible, but if they ask me to pull the trigger on potentially innocent people just to rescue a synth? f*#@. That. Would I do it for a human slave? Maybe. I wish the game had more dilemmas like this.

 

 

 

 

I don't even consider the Institute a serious option. If I could've created synthetic gorilla super-soldiers? Okay, that might have swayed me. In their present form, it's a resounding no for me.

That would be epic.

Beyond epic. Seriously, I might have to make a gorilla super-soldier companion. Obviously, he would need flaws, so I'm leaning towards chem addiction and habitual flinging of feces.

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Any other modders just bullshitting in the forums as they wait for the GECK? I'm going nuts here, speculating on faction bulls***.

 

I need to create gorilla super-soldiers!

 

f*** it, might as well get back to work.

Edited December 15, 2015 by someguy2000

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Thats preciscely the conclusion to take, to put it short, dont trust anyone, blow them all up and lead the commonwealth as the general of the minute men. Only way to go imo.

 

 

So then the only one fit enough to lead humanity is you.

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Thats preciscely the conclusion to take, to put it short, dont trust anyone, blow them all up and lead the commonwealth as the general of the minute men. Only way to go imo.

 

 

So then the only one fit enough to lead humanity is you.

 

I left the Railroad and BoS intact, actually. I prefer to use violence as a last resort. This might come as a shock to anyone who's played my mods, but that's where I'm at with my character.

 

I know it's wishful thinking, but I'd like to be able to convince the BoS to simply leave the Commonwealth once the Institute is destroyed. As they linger, it seems inevitable that they'll come into conflict with the Minutemen.

 

As for leading humanity, I don't have any illusions about being a benevolent dictator. I'd prefer to oversee the reinstatement of the Commonwealth Provisional Government and allow the people to govern themselves. DLC, perhaps.

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Honestly, does this seem like a great leap for the Railroad in a post-Institute Commonwealth? obviously, but just groups of people who *might* be prejudiced against synths.

Nah, if they can run away with the synths they would. It a waste of both man and supplies and the leader of the RR hates that.

 

 

The Railroad mostly relies on subterfuge, but what if that fails? I don't think they'd hesitate to have some "Bigots" die as collateral damage for the greater cause of their glorious revolution.

If they were attacked or the other factions is a huge threat for their lives, they will attack. But I really can't find any quest that serves as prove of any kind of murder for goals kind of thing. Once, they are attacked and they just escape. They only plan a a big battle if they were 100% sure to win or have no other chances.

 

 

 

Conversely, would I have been willing to engage in underground violence in order to free human slaves? Maybe. I suppose that answers Desdemona's question about how I value synth life. Truthfully, I want to safeguard sentient beings whenever possible, but if they ask me to pull the trigger on potentially innocent people just to rescue a synth? f***. That. Would I do it for a human slave? Maybe. I wish the game had more dilemmas like thi

So all you have is maybes and if? Sorry if I sound rude, but, that hardly a argument about them.

 

You don't seem to have a rock hard opinion of them. I have to admit they are hard to understand/know fully expect by doing their quests. Why not try them? Don't worry, you won't harm unarmed people, but they are not the most goody shoes faction of fallout. But you have to admit, the quest to them find is awesome.

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Honestly with the Brotherhood I would have loved it if we could spark a rebellion within the chapter. Perhaps bump into a group of the troops who deserted after they saw that the BOS was heading down their crusader path after both Lyons died. With that we could see them go back to simply protecting the people and not bullying people for their energy weapons or power armor. As well as to give up this genocidal tendency with any "abominations". Hell back when Lyons was in power they pretty much gave Fawkes amnesty and he was a god damn mutant. With that said we can see their major force leaving the Commonwealth after having taken out the big threats to the people as well as taking out any experimental weaponry that can wipe out large amounts of people. After which they can leave a small force at Fort Strong to ensure that things run smoothly as the people kick start the CPG once again.

Edited December 15, 2015 by dragz808

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You don't seem to have a rock hard opinion of them. I have to admit they are hard to understand/know fully expect by doing their quests. Why not try them? Don't worry, you won't harm unarmed people, but they are not the most goody shoes faction of fallout. But you have to admit, the quest to them find is awesome.

I tried them, and there was just too much focus on synths rather than the Commonwealth as a whole. They're also too eager to obliterate the BoS in my opinion, just as the BoS takes a bloodthirsty stance on the Railroad. I enjoyed the first few quests, but they have too much of an ideological bent for me. I don't have a rock-hard opinion on many things, actually, but I can safely assert that I'm highly skeptical of fanaticism, and that's what I see in FO4's Railroad.

 

Oh, and nothing rude about debating over these factions. Agree to disagree and all that. I don't have any sincere investment in fictional organizations.

Edited December 15, 2015 by someguy2000