vram1974 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 It's a meaningless sound in a meaningless mod that's not for profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Theft is still theft. If you stole a candy bar and gave it away for free that doesn't change the fact you stole the candy bar. It is still illegal and it is still stealing and the Nexus staff will not tolerate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vram1974 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Disagree. And chuckled at your comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 ... Wow you find really weird things amusing. So how does my comparison seem wrong to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acelogan Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) https://www.sounddogs.com/results.asp?Type=2&CategoryID=2017&SubcategoryID=4 the third sound effect if i buy this can i put my mod back up $2 is nothing Try looking at the site Freesound, they have lots of files for use under various creative commons licenses; be sure to always read the allowable uses set, ask permission if you are uncertain,and always attribute them on your info page. It might take a while, but you'll feel better in the end knowing you did right to the best of your ability. Or, even better, get a simple program and make your own sound. Take a look at Audacity. Good luck making your thing! Disagree. And chuckled at your comparison.It doesn't matter if we agree with the rules, or copyright laws, what matters is that they uphold and enforce them. It's their site, follow the rules and everything will be fine.Is it a perfect system? No, but it is much better than no system.It's a simple, rule that makes sense for all involved, to protect intellectual property, and isn't too hard to follow with some due dillegence.It isn't difficult until someone decides to be difficult There are plenty of ways the mod author can accomplish what is desired without violating the rules, with just a bit more effort. I encourage that individual to do so and triumph at the final product. Edited November 24, 2015 by acelogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinraStrife Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Even if the author of the mod dosen't profit from it (which he can do through dontations) its still him taking work that someone else recorded and passing it off as his own, even if that wasn't his intention. Copyright laws are not just for profitable works, its also to protect the ideas of creative individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holytimes Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 IMA BE THAT GUY, but copyright laws where made to promote not protect creativity for the good of the collective group. Now this was done though many methods and one of them being exclusivity of the work for a limited time (This being one of the forms of protection. Not the only one at that.) But thanks to Disney and others the protection aspect as become about the only aspect of the laws that are even remotely talked about or even looked at. Mainly due to corruption of the system. Regardless they are the law and must be followed if you don't like them write your local government official! The only real issuse i see with this mod at hand is that the file being a very generic sound. Hopefully there was solid evidence to show he lifted the sound file. The level up sound and many other sounds from Ragnarok originally came from a public domain sound resource with a licence to use them.(Think Wilhelm scream lots of company use these) (This is knowledge from personal experience working with privet servers and lots of time with the Eathena project.) So really the file could be bit for bit identical and really the only difference between it being legal or not is. Did he use the one from the bgm file from iRO/kRO or did he get it from the same public domain source that gravity did? Funfact its going to be almost physically impossible to know if he did use the same file unless he outs him self. Long story short with all these copyright questions and problems going on we have to be careful on both sides if the mods go over board then they open the nexus up to being easily trolled by copyright trolls on the flip side i would hate to see the nexus have problems cause they arn't following though. This mod could of been fine simply changing the wording to "Makes the level up sound a bugal call!" with a description of "The level up noise is now a bugal call like in ragnarok online to bring back nostalgia" Keywording makes a load of difference for things like this. "Like" "Akin to" "In homage to" instead of "The same as" "I took from" "Copied The". Since he was using a royalty free sound he ruined him self with just his wording basically... TL:DR - Learn your legal speaks and to double check your sources. Also provide links to your sources for homages or references to copyright works to prevent copyright trolls and make mod lifes easier! Sorry for the rant guys its late and im tired but had to get this out there with all the silly copyright talk going on. OBEY THE LAW STUPID OR NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acelogan Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Good points. Was it removed because the file was a clear rip (exact file name, extension, length, etc.), or was it just the phrasing that was a seeming admittance to guilt?So, I agree that the word choices in mod name and explanation in the info page can make a huge difference. Likewise, proper accreditation and file nomenclature helps tremendously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holytimes Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Good points. Was it removed because the file was a clear rip (exact file name, extension, length, etc.), or was it just the phrasing that was a seeming admittance to guilt? So, I agree that the word choices in mod name and explanation in the info page can make a huge difference. Likewise, proper accreditation and file nomenclature helps tremendously.Ragnarok online is a special case too... most of the sound effects are midi's... Midis are speical cases with copyright. depending on the court a midi is not even considered a legal form of recorded digital music. In most cases a midi if automatically translated from analog to midi though the use of software it will be counted as music and fall under thos copyright laws. If a midi is made by hand then it falls under the same copyright laws software code does. Because of this tho if you say hand make a midi of a famous song that midi is "different enough in a non trivial context" to be a derivative work in such a manner that the original owner of the song has no right to it any more. While you still can't claim it is the original as this would breach copyright you CAN sell it. Again this is highly debated even to this day and really depends on the court case you look at. (If anyone has a any solid info on this topic i would love it as most of my knowledge on midi's in copyright law is 4-5 years out of date at this point.) This is the reason tho that gravity changed from using midi's to wav files when storage space/download was no longer a concern. In fact you can still get the original midi's that gravity used from there original royalty free source at rate my server (Note rate my server is not the source they are just hosted there at this point cause the orginal host is long long gone) has them all! Now the only real problem here is that the same bugle charge midi gravity used is flipping everywhere and on most royalty free music sites, it still costs money to licence it for anything commercial use so i am unsure how that would effect copyright law in re-guards to using the copy from THEM as apposed to a free copy from a site providing it for personal use and free redistribution. I mean it took me 10 mins of googling to find a identical midi file of the sound effect on google that was free to download and had a licence of unlimited redistribution for non commercial use. So i could use that midi reupload this guys mod EXACTLY THE SAME. The only diffrence i would have to change is the desciption to state "Uses midi of the sound effect from Ragnarok online provided by royalty free source" with a link to that source and i would be in the clear. Again a lot of this just comes down to understanding of how the law works and how to deal with it.If someone wants i can even go get or even make a midi of this sound effect its like two seconds long and upload it. Keep in mind i do not want to state that a midi of a popular song is free of ALL copyright law and yes you can still get in trouble for using it. It is just a very gray area and really comes down to the way its being used. In most court cases where midi's come up if the midi was created with the obvious sole intent of copying the original it falls under the same laws as a cover. So if you want to do that please look up laws related to covering music. While on the flip side some cases have ruled in the exact other direction and stated that the midi is the midi's creators own song even if when being played the midi creates a song that to the normal joe sounds exactly the same. Mostly as far as i can tell this is only when vocals are in the original song and they are not in the midi. That MAY have a lot to do with it. But i am not a lawyer and most of my knowledge on this matter is just lots of reading on the topic over the years so i may be wrong or simply just out of date. SO PLEASE! Correct me if i am wrong! edit-wording cause i derped a sentance (Also in case the orginal mod author wants to redo his mod http://audiojungle.net/item/charge-bugle-call/9432578?s_phrase=bugle&s_rank=18 Here is a legit source you can spend like 3 bucks to make your mod in all its glory legally!) Edited November 25, 2015 by holytimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet4571 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 There's not much reason to explain how the laws work in this thread, we all know they are not working as intended and are abused by corporations. What's important is just make sure your source allows free distribution or you get express written permission to use them like CD Projekt Red has given for Witcher assets. Those rules apply for assets from other sites as well as assets from fellow mod authors. If you pull the Wilhelm Scream off a game you need the developers permission to use it, If you got it from one of the many sources of royalty free public domain sounds then you do not need permission. Those rules here are not just to protect Nexus or corporate copyright holders and their sue happy lawyers they are also in place to protect us mod authors. If you upload a file here on the Nexus you are protected by those rules from other mod authors adding your work into their mods and claiming it as their own. The rules are in place to protect you and I from others using our work against our wishes. If those rules were not in place we would have thousands of cloned mods with 1 minor tweak or we would have nothing great because those that will make the great mods wont publicly distribute know some smacktard will change 1 thing and release it as their own. Be happy those rules are in place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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