Moraelin Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 So exactly what does it mean when it says the BOS now controls a settlement? Are they going to deter raider attacks or something? Defend it? I mean, I'd even pay for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talwyn224 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It means that feudalism has returned as the BoS see themselves as the Knights lording it over the lowly serfs/slaves who work the fields for the power armoured masters :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ah, good to see I'm not the only one who saw the BOS as strangely similar to the knights in the high middle ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talwyn224 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I think the terms of Scribe, Knight, Paladin are just a little hint as to how the BoS see themselves. Hell, they even named their airship Prydwen after a mythical boat once used by King Arthur. The BoS are like Mr House from New Vegas: Full speed towards the future while looking backwards all the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Well, that does bring me back to the original question though. The whole chivalric ideals (which, granted, were flawed to start with and most often just ideals) included the notion that those who fight, the knights, protect those who don't, namely the serfs and clergy. On the other hand, the notion of protecting anything else than technology from the uninitiated is conspicuously absent from classic BOS ideals. And on yet another hand, the classic BOS never controlled settlements and whatnot: it's just Max's brotherhood who seemed to have gone full tilt feudal, with actually controlling farms where serfs farm the food for them. You can see where I'm going with this. Did they also go back to the feudal idea that they're responsible for protecting their serfs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcdenton2012 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Maxon's the only Elder to go on the proverbial offensive in a bid to grab up territory. Even Owen Lyons only defended what he had to, but never tried to annex parts of the wasteland for himself. To that end, I've always had a slang term for the BoS, "Bunker Huggers," because in most Fallout games that's all they ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 To some extent that is correct, but as usual, things are not always that simple. 1. Lyons also marched in from the east and took over the Citadel and key points of DC. 2. Elijah's chapter also occupied the Helios 1 solar plant and fought the NCR to the bitter end over it. 3. And conversely Max doesn't seem to be expansionistic for expansionism sake. In fact, his only interest in the Commonwealth had been to send some recon teams to grab technology and bring it back to DC. He wasn't even interested in rescuing his lost team. The only reason he's bringing the war to MA is that Danse's readings convinced him that the Institute is exactly the high-tech threat to humankind that the BOS was founded to prevent. Essentially it seems to me like he'd still be largely a bunker hugger, but now for the first time in history he's been given exactly the boogeyman that the whole BOS ideology says he must not allow to exist. That hasn't really existed before. Before, the BOS could just scavenge the tech or buy it or send some tribal to retrieve for them, dump it in a bunker, and pat themselves on the back for keeping humanity safe from that. Now they actually have an enemy that's using tech to potentially make mankind extinct, at least in BOS ideology. They HAVE to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talwyn224 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Again you make some very valid points here Moraelin. Maxson has been steadily building up his forces since the he took over. The fact that they decided to build a massive airship/helicarrier shows that he learnt the lesson from the Enclave that air superiority is just about everything and as such, the east coast BoS are now the most powerful group [the we know of] in the US. I think he was a bunker hugger until he felt prepared enough to go out and smash anything that got in their way. He embodies the US military dictum of bringing overwhelming firepower to any conflict. He is moving to deal with the Institute as they are the largest threat to the BoS, both militarily & scientifically. The Institute also is everything that the BoS is against - they are literally anethema to them.So much so that the BoS are willing to destroy the Institute and all of its tech & research rather than try to capture/salvage/preserve it. And if you end up supporting the BoS then you've made them the over lords of the North East of America. So unless there is some other unknown group out there I don't see them suddenly retreating under ground again. Maxson is in the early stages of empire building, although I doubt he's really aware that he's doing that. Like any early strong nation, expansion is necessary as you need to keep growing else you stagnate. It could become interesting if the post game synopsis/history features the BoS as being in charge. Maxson might realise that he know is the ruler of a huge area of territory and might find his conscience and compassion towards the civilian population in his lands. If he doesn't then the BoS will be seen as hateful overlords and will be facing a guerilla insurgency that they will eventually lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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