Danse is your Grandson

[Moraelin]

That said, about the incest part, meh, synths can't get pregnant, so it's not like the problems usually associated with incest would actually be a problem. If you CAN'T produce mentally retarded descendants with 6 toes, why worry anyway? Incest not only worked for the ancient Egyptians, but it was the IDEAL form of marriage. Even spouses who weren't even related, other than by marriage, still traditionally called each other brother and sister.

 

Mind you, I'm still not into miscegenation with NPCs either way. I don't care much about what someone's skin or hair colour is like (well, ok, so I find redheads hot), but being an NPC is kinda a deal breaker. The notion that an NPC could have the free will needed to make that relationship meaningful in any way, is an abomination of technology that can make us all extinct as a species, and must not be allowed to exist :p

 

Yeah, I fit in with Maxson and Quinlan just fine :p

 

But if I were to start, I probably wouldn't care all that much about incest with synths, as long as they can't reproduce that way.

[Athanasa]

That said, about the incest part, meh, synths can't get pregnant, so it's not like the problems usually associated with incest would actually be a problem. If you CAN'T produce mentally retarded descendants with 6 toes, why worry anyway? Incest not only worked for the ancient Egyptians, but it was the IDEAL form of marriage. Even spouses who weren't even related, other than by marriage, still traditionally called each other brother and sister.

 

Mind you, I'm still not into miscegenation with NPCs either way. I don't care much about what someone's skin or hair colour is like (well, ok, so I find redheads hot), but being an NPC is kinda a deal breaker. The notion that an NPC could have the free will needed to make that relationship meaningful in any way, is an abomination of technology that can make us all extinct as a species, and must not be allowed to exist :tongue:

 

Yeah, I fit in with Maxson and Quinlan just fine :tongue:

 

But if I were to start, I probably wouldn't care all that much about incest with synths, as long as they can't reproduce that way.

 

It feels WEIRD knowing it's incest, even if it's a social thing from modern society. Also, incest really didn't go well for the Ancient Egyptians - their Pharaohs were all sorts of broke because of it. But, back to Synths. It's sort of like Black Pudding. I mean, it tastes delicious, but I know it's congealed blood and fat. So I can't help but gag a bit if I try to eat it, even through I know it's food.

 

 

... I do wonder if the reproductive abilities of synths were disabled. Would it be one of those things the Institute can't imagine happening? Or are the women unable to, due to their genetic 'mother and father' both being male? Would it break their ovaries or something? TBH, if Synths COULD have children I imagine Bethesda would have thrown us kids in the Railroad if they could, rubbing them in our faces. "LOOK AT THE KIDS THIS MAKES THESE PEOPLE GOOD GUYS, MORAL CHOICE!"

 

However, what about male synths? We can't really think anything along those lines - Bethesda isn't going to give us a silly little scene where a female PC mocks Danse for not being able to get it up or finish because that would be 'too crude' for the softened-down Fallout 4. But that neither confirms or disproves a male Synth's ability to produce man-tadpoles - FO4 is just too 'clean' for that, we wouldn't be told either way. As a female player with a female PC, this worries me the most. Not that anything will come of it. Honestly, it's probably because my Roleplay mode is in overdrive to make up for some of the 'flatness' of FO4 in terms of immersion.

Edited December 27, 2015 by Athanasa

[Aintiarna]

It feels WEIRD knowing it's incest, even if it's a social thing from modern society. Also, incest really didn't go well for the Ancient Egyptians - their Pharaohs were all sorts of broke because of it. But, back to Synths. It's sort of like Black Pudding. I mean, it tastes delicious, but I know it's congealed blood and fat. So I can't help but gag a bit if I try to eat it, even through I know it's food.

Black pudding is all kinds of delicious. I'm guessing you don't like gravy either since that's mostly interstitial fluid and blood.

 

... I do wonder if the reproductive abilities of synths were disabled. Would it be one of those things the Institute can't imagine happening? Or are the women unable to, due to their genetic 'mother and father' both being male? Would it break their ovaries or something? TBH, if Synths COULD have children I imagine Bethesda would have thrown us kids in the Railroad if they could, rubbing them in our faces. "LOOK AT THE KIDS THIS MAKES THESE PEOPLE GOOD GUYS, MORAL CHOICE!"

Yeah, that would have been a little bit cheesy. I keep thinking that a Synth Supremacist cult might make a good DLC or mod. You know, they breed, they're superior to humans in every way, they were initially freed by the railroad, now they've decided to dispense with humans in a realisation of everything Maxson fears.

 

However, what about male synths? We can't really think anything along those lines - Bethesda isn't going to give us a silly little scene where a female PC mocks Danse for not being able to get it up or finish because that would be 'too crude' for the softened-down Fallout 4. But that neither confirms or disproves a male Synth's ability to produce man-tadpoles - FO4 is just too 'clean' for that, we wouldn't be told either way. As a female player with a female PC, this worries me the most.

To be fair, it's probably a more pleasant dilemma than wondering about Hancock. :ermm:

Edited December 27, 2015 by tirnoney

[Ekscalybur]

 

That said, about the incest part, meh, synths can't get pregnant, so it's not like the problems usually associated with incest would actually be a problem. If you CAN'T produce mentally retarded descendants with 6 toes, why worry anyway? Incest not only worked for the ancient Egyptians, but it was the IDEAL form of marriage. Even spouses who weren't even related, other than by marriage, still traditionally called each other brother and sister.

 

Mind you, I'm still not into miscegenation with NPCs either way. I don't care much about what someone's skin or hair colour is like (well, ok, so I find redheads hot), but being an NPC is kinda a deal breaker. The notion that an NPC could have the free will needed to make that relationship meaningful in any way, is an abomination of technology that can make us all extinct as a species, and must not be allowed to exist :tongue:

 

Yeah, I fit in with Maxson and Quinlan just fine :tongue:

 

But if I were to start, I probably wouldn't care all that much about incest with synths, as long as they can't reproduce that way.

 

It feels WEIRD knowing it's incest, even if it's a social thing from modern society. Also, incest really didn't go well for the Ancient Egyptians - their Pharaohs were all sorts of broke because of it. But, back to Synths. It's sort of like Black Pudding. I mean, it tastes delicious, but I know it's congealed blood and fat. So I can't help but gag a bit if I try to eat it, even through I know it's food.

 

 

... I do wonder if the reproductive abilities of synths were disabled. Would it be one of those things the Institute can't imagine happening? Or are the women unable to, due to their genetic 'mother and father' both being male? Would it break their ovaries or something? TBH, if Synths COULD have children I imagine Bethesda would have thrown us kids in the Railroad if they could, rubbing them in our faces. "LOOK AT THE KIDS THIS MAKES THESE PEOPLE GOOD GUYS, MORAL CHOICE!"

 

However, what about male synths? We can't really think anything along those lines - Bethesda isn't going to give us a silly little scene where a female PC mocks Danse for not being able to get it up or finish because that would be 'too crude' for the softened-down Fallout 4. But that neither confirms or disproves a male Synth's ability to produce man-tadpoles - FO4 is just too 'clean' for that, we wouldn't be told either way. As a female player with a female PC, this worries me the most.

 

 

 

From here on out, we'll call these manpoles.

 

 

Thank you.

[Athanasa]

Black pudding is all kinds of delicious. I'm guessing you don't like gravy either since that's mostly interstitial fluid and blood.

What kind of gravy do YOU make? Take the giblets out, use the water from the veggies and the juice from around the meat. So yeah, blood. But... not as bloody as black pudding. Honestly, I don't know WHY I can't eat black pudding. Brains are arbitrary, stupid things when it comes to being squeamish.

 

 

... Also, oh god. Hancock.

[Aintiarna]

 

Black pudding is all kinds of delicious. I'm guessing you don't like gravy either since that's mostly interstitial fluid and blood.

What kind of gravy do YOU make? Take the giblets out, use the water from the veggies and the juice from around the meat. So yeah, blood. But... not as bloody as black pudding. Honestly, I don't know WHY I can't eat black pudding. Brains are arbitrary, stupid things when it comes to being squeamish.

 

 

... Also, oh god. Hancock.

 

 

Hey, I'm Irish, what can I say? We're all weaned on black pudding, potatoes and cabbage.

 

Yeah, I can only flirt with human version Hancock, lore be dammed.

[Moraelin]

I don't see why having just a dad would be a problem. You already have the information to produce a female body in the other chromosomes than the Y one, that is, including the X that Shaun must have too (or he'd be stillborn.) They Y chromosome is a very little one, and mostly contains stuff about sperm production and activating extra testosterone production and such. Really, it's mostly the genetic equivalent of an .esp plugin with a few variables set that cause that female body to grow certain modifications. E.g., the ovaries become testicles, the vagina becomes the prostate, the labia stay fused and become the scrotum, etc. Again, actually even most of the information for those is in the other chromosomes, and the Y chromosome just activates those modifications.

 

So what I'm saying is that genetically all the information it needs for reproduction should be there. The fact that it doesn't work tells me that the Institute edited it out.

[Athanasa]

I don't see why having just a dad would be a problem. You already have the information to produce a female body in the other chromosomes than the Y one, that is, including the X that Shaun must have too (or he'd be stillborn.) They Y chromosome is a very little one, and mostly contains stuff about sperm production and activating extra testosterone production and such. Really, it's mostly the genetic equivalent of an .esp plugin with a few variables set that cause that female body to grow certain modifications. E.g., the ovaries become testicles, the vagina becomes the prostate, the labia stay fused and become the scrotum, etc. Again, actually even most of the information for those is in the other chromosomes, and the Y chromosome just activates those modifications.

 

So what I'm saying is that genetically all the information it needs for reproduction should be there. The fact that it doesn't work tells me that the Institute edited it out.

Or Bethesda chose not to address it. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. With the new dumbed down Fallout, it's easier to just not address stuff like that. Although, they may have turned off the reproductive cycle in females (life would be so much easier that way).

 

Either way, this entire thing has made me okay to go the BoS plotline and wipe out both the Railroad and the Intsitute. At least until someone mods a non-exploity alternative. It just can't he healthy to have that many clones running around the commonwealth, especially if they find a way to turn reproduction back on or something. So, yay! I can finally continue playing the game!

Edited December 27, 2015 by Athanasa

[Moraelin]

Well, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Something can be there because Beth didn't feel like going down a certain route, AND have an in-game justification too.

 

If I'm going to venture a wild guess, I'd say when you can just 3d-print more slaves, why would you bother with normal reproduction too? You have a few months at the end when they can't (safely) do very hard labour or run across the commonwealth and dodge raiders, plus you have to pay attention to their nutrition, plus it's not safe to expose them to radiation in that time, and then you have a kid that's not very useful for any slave work for many years. Simply 3d-printing more slaves as needed instead of bothering with reproduction is simply more efficient, from a cold-hearted barstard point of view.

[Athanasa]

If I'm going to venture a wild guess, I'd say when you can just 3d-print more slaves, why would you bother with normal reproduction too? You have a few months at the end when they can't (safely) do very hard labour or run across the commonwealth and dodge raiders, plus you have to pay attention to their nutrition, plus it's not safe to expose them to radiation in that time, and then you have a kid that's not very useful for any slave work for many years. Simply 3d-printing more slaves as needed instead of bothering with reproduction is simply more efficient, from a cold-hearted barstard point of view.

 

On the other hand, if they're slaves, why bother engineering it so they CAN'T? Don't include any mention of reproduction in their "programming". Maybe part of the programming involves snipping the tubes, so to speak. Institute Synths know very clearly where they stand, and that they are Not Human. I'd be surprised if it even crossed their minds to have children, or if they would even recognise broody feelings. I imagine the only synths that would even consider reproduction would be those that have been around humans for a long time - the rogue ones.

 

Besides, if a female Institute synth did get preggo, she'd probably be terminated. Or at least the baby would. Although I agree that females are likely to be unable to reproduce. That still leaves me with my issues about the males, though. How 'mature' are Synth brains - minds, even - in terms of reproduction? How much of a role do their hormones take? I assume they HAVE the appropriate hormones, mostly because there are some fairly major health repercussions for not having said hormones at a normal level.

 

Hmm. Do we know how long Gen 3 Synths have been produced for? Do we know anything about their lifespan - how do they age? Do they age prematurely, or strangely in any way? There's so much that just isn't addressed or researched yet.

Edited December 27, 2015 by Athanasa