Macintosh hate. Why?

[Payne427]

I'm not sure if their's an "off-topic" section but, why do so many people hate on Mac?

 

1. Chasing/reporting bugs from a mod wouldn't be heard of.

 

2. The term "CTD" dose not exist on a Macintosh system.

 

3. The "Bug Fixes" and "Utilities" section would not be needed nor heard of on a Mac.

 

4. No crashes while playing a heavily modded game on a Mac.

 

5. No random lock-ups while playing a modded game.

 

6. It's a computer and a monitor in one, no clunky computer tower involved.

 

7. Faster thinking and download/upload processes.

 

8. No pop-ups that crash your web browser.

Pop-Ups make the computer render in all of the extra attachments, graphics, colors and links to that fraud site. Then bam, no more web page and back to square-one.

 

9. No need for virus protection/software. I've heard many people say it's because people don't make viruses for Mac, "That's not true"

people "TRY" to make viruses for the Macintosh system with stupid or idiotic reasons that they have no answer to the "why" of it. Those "tried" viruses get shut down by the system itself. It's like the virus met the ultimate percription drug

"The Mac OS system". We all know the group of people who hacked Microsoft. You'll never hear about it happening to Apple, Trust me.

 

10. ALL of your current US Military radios "GRN/AC", Gun sights "Kobra RDS, Hologoriphic, FLIR Vision, Thermal Vision, INV Scopes and the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight "ACOG", tanks "Abrams and Bradley programs", Jets "F 17, 21, 18, 15, 20 and the current F35 that lands itself if the pilot is knocked out, along with the hover mode it has, "like a helicopter" are drawn up and designed on.... A Mac. "Family member works at that company that Designs and Sells them" I cannot say much about the F35 program due to it still being in prototype trial stage. AKA "TOP SECRET" that's all I'm allowed to say about it.

 

 

11. All Music/DVD, Custom Audio Output and some other apps are already installed

 

 

11. And so much more. Having to struggle to use this Alienware PC in my room makes me appreciate the Mac we have in the living room all the more.

 

PS. I am in no way trying to insult ANY pc user that may read this. we all have our choice on what we like.

 

Thank You.

Edited February 5, 2016 by Payne427

[JimboUK]

I don't know how much agreement you're going to get, this is a gaming site and Macs are rubbish for gaming, you've either got to install Windows on them or jump through hoops to get them to work. They are better for everything else though, MacOS is vastly superior to Windows, these days I only use Windows for gaming, I do everything else on my Macbook.

[Payne427]

That's the reason I have the Alienware for modding Fallout. Never thought I would own one but, here I am....

[JimboUK]

I never thought I'd own a Mac but Windows 8 was the final straw, I gave in and brought one and I haven't looked back since. They just work and they don't get in the way of what I'm trying to do, the problem with modern Microsoft is that they make products that are best for them, not the end user, look at the XBox One pre launch shambles, they'd forgotten that the customer exists.

[madmongo]

1. Macs are stable because Apple controls all of the software on them. This is the old argument between an open system and a closed system. Open systems (like Windows) are more flexible, closed systems (like Macs) are stable but much more limited, and tend to be more expensive. If Apple allowed 3rd party vendors to install their software on a Mac, mods would crash just as much on a Bethesda game on a Mac as they would on a Bethesda game on Windows. So this one is just silly.

 

2.CTD does exist on a Mac. I've done it. I've also completely crashed a Mac. A lot of Windows crashes are due to it being an open system and anyone being able to write code for it, so again, you are getting back to the open vs. closed system debate.

 

3. And again, if Bethesda wrote software to run on a Mac, I suspect it would be as buggy as their Windows versions. There is some truth to the fact that you would not have as many bug fixes for video drives and the like, because you would be stuck with Mac hardware for the video and all of its limitations and limited number of variets available.

 

4. Again, if Bethesday wrote the software, I bet it would crash. There is nothing magically crash-proof in the hardware and software for a Mac. A Mac's stability is due to limited hardware options which can be more easily exhaustively tested, and complete control over the hardware and software that goes into the machine.

 

5. same as above

 

6. You realize that this exact hardware configuration is available for Windows machines, right? Windows computers come in a MUCH greater variety of shapes and sizes than Macs.

 

7. For the same amount of money, Windows machines generally outperform Macs.

 

8. Every browser has bugs, including the ones on Macs. As for popups, run adblock and noscript on your windows computer and you'll have very few problems.

 

9. Wow, are you sadly mistaken on this one. Macs and linux boxes have been mostly immune to viruses for mainly three reasons. First, they run applications in user mode and are much more restrictive about kernel space access. Second, they have very small market share, which makes them fairly undesireable for virus and malware writers. For the same amount of effort, they can target twenty times as many machines just by picking on Windows instead. Third, a lot of people (including virus and malware authors) hate Microsoft because Microsoft acts like the Evil Empire (using its monopoly power to force certain things, etc). The types of folks who write malware to target the Evil Empire tend not to be so angry at linux or apple, and so they don't target those machines as much.

 

Most linux users are smart enough to know that while linux computers are very unlikely to be infected, they aren't completely immune. There's a common misconception among Mac users though that their machines are invulnerable. Mac viruses and malware has been on the rise in recent years, and it is spreading more quickly and easily due to the ignorance of people like you. Since Mac users think they are immune, they don't take precautions, and are very ill equipped to handle problems when they do arise.

 

You'll never hear about it happening to Apple? There are all kinds of confirmed virus and malware attacks against Apple. There's nothing magical about a Mac.

 

10. I work as a hardware and embedded software engineer. I started out doing defense work, mostly on radar and flir systems, but I also got involved in other projects like the firing control system for a military helicopter. I worked on the F4, F8, F16, B1, and the A12 (the flying dorito, a project that got cancelled, but you can google it if you want to see what it was).

 

Nothing we had was developed on a mac. Military hardware runs real time hardened operating systems like VxWorks. Development platforms tend to be Windows or Linux based. You can't develop VxWorks appllications on a Mac.

 

We did have macs in our office. We used them for writing reports. They were not used for engineering work. Macs in general are very rarely used in engineering. I'm sure that somewhere, someone has used a Mac to do some sort of engineering work, but in my 30 years of experience, I have never seen it. No company that I have ever worked for or had experience with has ever used a Mac for engineering.

 

I had a security clearance while doing military work, and the way you are talking makes me seriously doubt that you have ever had one.

 

I'm also kinda curious what you think an F17, F20, and an F21 are.

 

11. That is one of the benefits of a closed system. A lot of off the shelf Windows systems have all of the software pre-installed on them as well.

 

11. (why do you have two 11's?) There is a point that Macs are less fiddly, but again, that comes back to closed vs open systems.

Edited February 5, 2016 by madmongo

[bben46]

A mac has no problem running Windows because they actually use the same hardware. A mac is really a PC that just costs more. Apple gets a premium mainly because of the name. The Mac IOS is not a bad operating system. It is just that apple is so anal about what they allow to use it that many game companies just don't bother to even try to port their game. And as Any Mac user can get Boot Camp and a copy of windows to play their game - why bother?

 

As for viruses on a Mac - more bad news they really do exist and are on the rise. Macs are not a big target mainly because the ratio of macs to PC is around 1:200. Meaning if you follow the money in viruses - they target the 200 over the 1. Same with Linux but more like 1:400. Like many Linux users, given the chance I would dump Windows altogether - mainly because they are trying to become more like Apple and attempting to lock their users in to their own proprietary software.

 

And like MadMongo, I have never seen a MAC used for engineering development in the last 25 years. One company I worked for in the early 80s was considering using the same processor as apple for a new proprietary system as Apple was using a 68000 Motorola processor that had better specs at the time. But during the pre-testing phase, Intel came out with an even better processor that was the predecessor to the one used for the PC. Irony - the now discontinued Apple PowerMac series computer actually used an IBM manufactured PowerPC processor. Now they use the same Intel processors that are used in many PCs.

 

As to struggling - it comes down to what you are used to. It has been so long since I used a Mac I would probably struggle to use one of them until I got used to it.

[Payne427]

I never thought I'd own a Mac but Windows 8 was the final straw, I gave in and brought one and I haven't looked back since. They just work and they don't get in the way of what I'm trying to do, the problem with modern Microsoft is that they make products that are best for them, not the end user, look at the XBox One pre launch shambles, they'd forgotten that the customer exists.

 

My exact thoughts are in this reply.

[JimboUK]

Where do people get the idea that you can't install third party software on a Mac from? it's no different to Windows, you can install what you want from where you want.

[flamenx01]

Macs are generally ok. The main things I hate are it's cmd-c to copy rather than ctrl-c to copy which makes it a pain when switching between mac and windows/linux and those stupid mac mice.

[madmongo]

Where do people get the idea that you can't install third party software on a Mac from? it's no different to Windows, you can install what you want from where you want.

 

OS-X by default will not run apps unless they come from the Mac App Store or are digitally signed by what Apple calls an "identified developer".

 

It is possible to bypass these security settings, but then you are bypassing Apple's quality control and you open yourself up to all of the security holes and potential crashes that folks complain about Windows apps. In fact, from a security standpoint it is even worse since most Macs and Mac users aren't prepared for open security issues.