Fallout 4 Beta Update and DLC, Creation Kit News

[ShadowPhase]

In response to post #35233235.

Mazz123 wrote: The reason why they're holding back on the GECK is because if they released it right now no PC players would bother to buy the 1st or 2nd DLCs because they are easily copied and made into mods. They're dicking us around because they're afraid of losing money.

Exactly. Also, a dog that is kept hungry will jump through more hoops than one that isn't.
I hear that Bethesda is going to start providing a jar of Vaseline and ankle hand grips with every game... I can just see the lines backing up to them now.

[rdunlap]

In response to post #35192465.

bben46 wrote:

What is aggravating is being forced to unplug two monitors to play. The power switches are in an awkward place on the back of them. Then when not playing plug them both back in. I spend far more time doing things other than playing games on my computer. If I don't find an actual solution, I will probably drag a power strip out to plug the secondary monitors into so I can just flip a switch to turn them off and on. :rolleyes:

 

Another possibility is the multiple monitor software I use - Display Fusion Pro. I will disable that and see what happens later today.

 

If and when I find a solution I will post it. :thumbsup:

I have been multimon for years and display fusion is among the best. This time around however i took the deep water approach and went with NVidea surround 5670X1080 have to use flawless widescreen to fix up some elements but <shudders and crosses fingers> so far i have no serious issues with display problems. My surround desktop is seen as one resolution cleanly even by Windows. Before the current set of monitors i had one larger center and 2 smaller satellites and surround worked ok on that layout as well.

Robert

[rdunlap]

In response to post #35173135. #35179265 is also a reply to the same post.

bben46 wrote:

They found a new way to break my game with the latest update. :rolleyes:

 

I have a 3 monitor set up with the primary which is larger in the center. After the update it started up fine like always, then after about 30 seconds into the game a Windows message that Windows didn't think my resolution was right and offering to change it for me to a much lower setting. I clicked the no thanks and don't ask me again option - and the screen went black. Clicking in the icon and pressing esc finally got it back - but now on my right hand screen (#3) but with the size of the larger screen - so parts were cut off. Reboot did nothing. Disconnected #3. Now the game is running on #2, the left monitor. Disconnect that one and reboot - runs fine on center #1 monitor with both secondary monitors powered down. :wallbash: I don't know whether to blame Beth or MS for this one.

rex8112 wrote: Is it really that bad only playing on one screen? I mean, I've played on one screen my entire life. I'd find multiple screens to be annoying. Not criticizing you or anything, just curious.

from a fellow multimonitor longtime user I have to say that its something that once you get used to it you feel blinded if you are suddenly restricted to one monitor. I personally didn't even play the game *(although i had it on release day) until some fixes for superwidescreen resolutions were worked out.

Do this place your hands beside your eyes cutting off your peripheral vision ... now try to function that way without disorientation. Possible but not comfortable. when i am working on one of my Rebuilt mods i have the game on my big setup with triple screens 5670X1080 and xEdit on my laptop. would never consider doing it the other way.

Robert

[Eruadur]

In response to post #35233235. #35235665, #35238745 are all replies on the same post.

Mazz123 wrote: The reason why they're holding back on the GECK is because if they released it right now no PC players would bother to buy the 1st or 2nd DLCs because they are easily copied and made into mods. They're dicking us around because they're afraid of losing money.

ShadowPhase wrote: Exactly. Also, a dog that is kept hungry will jump through more hoops than one that isn't.
I hear that Bethesda is going to start providing a jar of Vaseline and ankle hand grips with every game... I can just see the lines backing up to them now.

Astral Nexus wrote: You forgot about the ball gags. Can't f*#@ing wait to try out my Elder Scrolls brand ball gag, mmmm mmmfmfmfm m fmmfm mfmfmfm!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but the G.E.C.K. for FO3 and NV was also released before the DLC's were released.
To my knowledge nothing was copied out of those DLC's because the G.E.C.K. was released beforehand....

Don't know what you are on about, but what I think you are stating is just silly...

[d00m2009]

In response to post #35233235. #35235665, #35238745, #35252665 are all replies on the same post.

Mazz123 wrote: The reason why they're holding back on the GECK is because if they released it right now no PC players would bother to buy the 1st or 2nd DLCs because they are easily copied and made into mods. They're dicking us around because they're afraid of losing money.

ShadowPhase wrote: Exactly. Also, a dog that is kept hungry will jump through more hoops than one that isn't.
I hear that Bethesda is going to start providing a jar of Vaseline and ankle hand grips with every game... I can just see the lines backing up to them now.

Astral Nexus wrote: You forgot about the ball gags. Can't f*#@ing wait to try out my Elder Scrolls brand ball gag, mmmm mmmfmfmfm m fmmfm mfmfmfm!!!

Eruadur wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but the G.E.C.K. for FO3 and NV was also released before the DLC's were released.
To my knowledge nothing was copied out of those DLC's because the G.E.C.K. was released beforehand....

Don't know what you are on about, but what I think you are stating is just silly...

@Eruadur
This is a really broad issue that stems down to how milking gamers and treating them like s#*&#33; is a legitimate business tactic.

Those DLC are actually concepts that could've easily been done by modders with the G.E.C.K. The build your own robot concept was already done by a modder right here on the nexus! Building your own robots in settlements for defense purposes!

Bethesda is simply refining that idea, sure they may have already planned to do so (maybe) but no one is going to pay for a DLC that is already accessible for free through modding.
Release the modding tools and no doubt before that DLC is released (or announced) someone would've already made a mod where you can build robot companions alongside new version of robots (robobrain, fisto is my fav tho).

Mods that involve capturing creatures aren't original either, that's been done to death in Fallout 3 and NV.

If anything Bethesda is trying to squeeze every last dollar they can out of their fanbase because they can, because they're immune to the people who say, what the f*#@ are you doing Bethesda?
That comes back to the root problem with companies taking advantage of their fanbases. Bungie with Destiny ("Pay for the game twice, and then after two year we will release it again so you have to pay a third time, or don't we don't care"), Activision with releasing the same formula every time which works, Ubisoft with games that have a major part of their content cut for future DLC, Microsoft with Xbox Live subscriptions and poor service, Sony with Playstation with PS Plus stooping to the level of MS because why compete with your competition when you can simply stoop to their level and still make sales?
I can go on for years, bottom line:

TL;DR - THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU

[Eruadur]

In response to post #35233235. #35235665, #35238745, #35252665, #35253695 are all replies on the same post.

Mazz123 wrote: The reason why they're holding back on the GECK is because if they released it right now no PC players would bother to buy the 1st or 2nd DLCs because they are easily copied and made into mods. They're dicking us around because they're afraid of losing money.

ShadowPhase wrote: Exactly. Also, a dog that is kept hungry will jump through more hoops than one that isn't.
I hear that Bethesda is going to start providing a jar of Vaseline and ankle hand grips with every game... I can just see the lines backing up to them now.

Astral Nexus wrote: You forgot about the ball gags. Can't f*#@ing wait to try out my Elder Scrolls brand ball gag, mmmm mmmfmfmfm m fmmfm mfmfmfm!!!

Eruadur wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but the G.E.C.K. for FO3 and NV was also released before the DLC's were released.
To my knowledge nothing was copied out of those DLC's because the G.E.C.K. was released beforehand....

Don't know what you are on about, but what I think you are stating is just silly...

d00m2009 wrote: @Eruadur
This is a really broad issue that stems down to how milking gamers and treating them like s#*&#33; is a legitimate business tactic.

Those DLC are actually concepts that could've easily been done by modders with the G.E.C.K. The build your own robot concept was already done by a modder right here on the nexus! Building your own robots in settlements for defense purposes!

Bethesda is simply refining that idea, sure they may have already planned to do so (maybe) but no one is going to pay for a DLC that is already accessible for free through modding.
Release the modding tools and no doubt before that DLC is released (or announced) someone would've already made a mod where you can build robot companions alongside new version of robots (robobrain, fisto is my fav tho).

Mods that involve capturing creatures aren't original either, that's been done to death in Fallout 3 and NV.

If anything Bethesda is trying to squeeze every last dollar they can out of their fanbase because they can, because they're immune to the people who say, what the f*#@ are you doing Bethesda?
That comes back to the root problem with companies taking advantage of their fanbases. Bungie with Destiny ("Pay for the game twice, and then after two year we will release it again so you have to pay a third time, or don't we don't care"), Activision with releasing the same formula every time which works, Ubisoft with games that have a major part of their content cut for future DLC, Microsoft with Xbox Live subscriptions and poor service, Sony with Playstation with PS Plus stooping to the level of MS because why compete with your competition when you can simply stoop to their level and still make sales?
I can go on for years, bottom line:

TL;DR - THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU

@d00m2009
Seriously?

Uhm, stop playing games if you don't like the gaming business? ffs...
Just stop whining about it in here please ?

[ValdrFireBorn]

In response to post #35233235. #35235665, #35238745, #35252665, #35253695, #35255415 are all replies on the same post.

Mazz123 wrote: The reason why they're holding back on the GECK is because if they released it right now no PC players would bother to buy the 1st or 2nd DLCs because they are easily copied and made into mods. They're dicking us around because they're afraid of losing money.

ShadowPhase wrote: Exactly. Also, a dog that is kept hungry will jump through more hoops than one that isn't.
I hear that Bethesda is going to start providing a jar of Vaseline and ankle hand grips with every game... I can just see the lines backing up to them now.

Astral Nexus wrote: You forgot about the ball gags. Can't f*#@ing wait to try out my Elder Scrolls brand ball gag, mmmm mmmfmfmfm m fmmfm mfmfmfm!!!

Eruadur wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but the G.E.C.K. for FO3 and NV was also released before the DLC's were released.
To my knowledge nothing was copied out of those DLC's because the G.E.C.K. was released beforehand....

Don't know what you are on about, but what I think you are stating is just silly...

d00m2009 wrote: @Eruadur
This is a really broad issue that stems down to how milking gamers and treating them like s#*&#33; is a legitimate business tactic.

Those DLC are actually concepts that could've easily been done by modders with the G.E.C.K. The build your own robot concept was already done by a modder right here on the nexus! Building your own robots in settlements for defense purposes!

Bethesda is simply refining that idea, sure they may have already planned to do so (maybe) but no one is going to pay for a DLC that is already accessible for free through modding.
Release the modding tools and no doubt before that DLC is released (or announced) someone would've already made a mod where you can build robot companions alongside new version of robots (robobrain, fisto is my fav tho).

Mods that involve capturing creatures aren't original either, that's been done to death in Fallout 3 and NV.

If anything Bethesda is trying to squeeze every last dollar they can out of their fanbase because they can, because they're immune to the people who say, what the f*#@ are you doing Bethesda?
That comes back to the root problem with companies taking advantage of their fanbases. Bungie with Destiny ("Pay for the game twice, and then after two year we will release it again so you have to pay a third time, or don't we don't care"), Activision with releasing the same formula every time which works, Ubisoft with games that have a major part of their content cut for future DLC, Microsoft with Xbox Live subscriptions and poor service, Sony with Playstation with PS Plus stooping to the level of MS because why compete with your competition when you can simply stoop to their level and still make sales?
I can go on for years, bottom line:

TL;DR - THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU

Eruadur wrote: @d00m2009
Seriously?

Uhm, stop playing games if you don't like the gaming business? ffs...
Just stop whining about it in here please ?

If you guys really think Bethesda can't create content more enjoyable, polished and in-depth with these concepts than 90 % of modders, you have no place playing their games. With or without GECK, nobody creates stuff possessing more depth. Skyrim's DLC added house building, which itself was already a mod. But guess what? Bethesda's version was better. Dawnguard as well, simply an amazing DLC that shows Bethesda's capabilities. The only thing that would be better than a good ol' fashioned Bethesda DLC would be DLC from Obsidian.

[bben46]

New update - It fixed itself. :whistling: The only update I know of was the daily Steam update. :rolleyes:

Hopefully it stays fixed. I'm not going to mess with it any more - If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[berdie1]

In response to post #35233235. #35235665, #35238745, #35252665, #35253695, #35255415, #35257020 are all replies on the same post.

Mazz123 wrote: The reason why they're holding back on the GECK is because if they released it right now no PC players would bother to buy the 1st or 2nd DLCs because they are easily copied and made into mods. They're dicking us around because they're afraid of losing money.

ShadowPhase wrote: Exactly. Also, a dog that is kept hungry will jump through more hoops than one that isn't.
I hear that Bethesda is going to start providing a jar of Vaseline and ankle hand grips with every game... I can just see the lines backing up to them now.

Astral Nexus wrote: You forgot about the ball gags. Can't f*#@ing wait to try out my Elder Scrolls brand ball gag, mmmm mmmfmfmfm m fmmfm mfmfmfm!!!

Eruadur wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but the G.E.C.K. for FO3 and NV was also released before the DLC's were released.
To my knowledge nothing was copied out of those DLC's because the G.E.C.K. was released beforehand....

Don't know what you are on about, but what I think you are stating is just silly...

d00m2009 wrote: @Eruadur
This is a really broad issue that stems down to how milking gamers and treating them like s#*&#33; is a legitimate business tactic.

Those DLC are actually concepts that could've easily been done by modders with the G.E.C.K. The build your own robot concept was already done by a modder right here on the nexus! Building your own robots in settlements for defense purposes!

Bethesda is simply refining that idea, sure they may have already planned to do so (maybe) but no one is going to pay for a DLC that is already accessible for free through modding.
Release the modding tools and no doubt before that DLC is released (or announced) someone would've already made a mod where you can build robot companions alongside new version of robots (robobrain, fisto is my fav tho).

Mods that involve capturing creatures aren't original either, that's been done to death in Fallout 3 and NV.

If anything Bethesda is trying to squeeze every last dollar they can out of their fanbase because they can, because they're immune to the people who say, what the f*#@ are you doing Bethesda?
That comes back to the root problem with companies taking advantage of their fanbases. Bungie with Destiny ("Pay for the game twice, and then after two year we will release it again so you have to pay a third time, or don't we don't care"), Activision with releasing the same formula every time which works, Ubisoft with games that have a major part of their content cut for future DLC, Microsoft with Xbox Live subscriptions and poor service, Sony with Playstation with PS Plus stooping to the level of MS because why compete with your competition when you can simply stoop to their level and still make sales?
I can go on for years, bottom line:

TL;DR - THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU

Eruadur wrote: @d00m2009
Seriously?

Uhm, stop playing games if you don't like the gaming business? ffs...
Just stop whining about it in here please ?

ValdrFireBorn wrote: If you guys really think Bethesda can't create content more enjoyable, polished and in-depth with these concepts than 90 % of modders, you have no place playing their games. With or without GECK, nobody creates stuff possessing more depth. Skyrim's DLC added house building, which itself was already a mod. But guess what? Bethesda's version was better. Dawnguard as well, simply an amazing DLC that shows Bethesda's capabilities. The only thing that would be better than a good ol' fashioned Bethesda DLC would be DLC from Obsidian.

You have got to be kidding me.
1. Of course Bethesda needs to make money. It is a company. It needs to pay all the people who make the games, and all their other employees, and make a profit on top of that. Otherwise it goes out of business and you will not get any more games from them.
2. Bethesda is remarkably friendly to modders. They will even give us the GECK for free. The alternatives are no mods, or mods that are extremely limited in what they can add to the game.
3. We have to wait for the GECK, because Bethesda makes changes to it before they release it. They surely do not bother with that before the game itself is released because they are concentrating on the game itself. In the meantime modders are doing really impressive things without it. I for one enjoy observing the difference in mods before and after the creation tools are released; some modders probably enjoy figuring out just how much they can do even with out the GECK.
4. With so many mods out there, Bethesda could just not bother making DLC for people like you who don't seem to appreciate their efforts. But they do make them, and of course they need to be paid for them, see point #1 above.

Modders make their mods as a creative outlet and a labor of love. Bethesda's employees may love their work, but it is their work. They need to be paid. If you think that means that you are being treated badly, I don't know what to tell you. You are having a first world problem that is created in your own head and is easily solved by not playing Bethesda games at all.

[Ethreon]

This thread became a "Spot the Beth fanboy" vs "Spot the Beth hater" kind of contest.. with a few rational and well put replies around :)