Rapture day.

[AncientSpaceAeon]

Edit: Nevermind. Edited May 27, 2011 by Ancient Aeon

[Halororor]

Firstly, you have to learn to take a comment as it was intended. If Vagrant didn't mean any offense, why are you taking any? A lot of Christians are fascinated by the end times. The fact that he didn't specifically say some Christians doesn't mean he implied all Christians are. That's basic logic.

 

And secondly, Ginnyfizz has been rooting to get the thread locked fr a while now. She was the first to call for a lock, and got it. Then I mailed Dark0ne, explaining the situation and asking for it to be reopened, which he did, and he explained that he did it because nobody was knocking religion. Ginnyfizz then immediately ran to quote an out-of-contect comment as a possible knock towards religion to prove that the thread should be locked, and has been making assertions that religion is being knocked ever since.

 

Honestly, I don't understand why you guys can't understand that it's possible to have a conversation related to religion without wanting to become aggressive about it. It's like you sit and wait for somebody to say something that you can purposely find offensive. You're victimizing yourselves here, and let me tell you, it can't be any less ironic. It's not easy being athiest either. We get discriminated against a lot, which is something I'm not going to go into here. If I wanted to, I could also pull the victim card whenever somebody said anything I'd consider even had the tiniest chance of being offensive. But I'm mature about it. I don't.

 

Thing is, stop actively looking for reasons to be offended. If we wanted to say anything offensive, we'd have made it clear. Two gunmen can't live in peace together if one of them keeps his gun trained on the other at all times.

 

I've been at both sides of the spectrum. I used to be christian, I had really ugly debates on forums because of religion. I'm over it. I'm not going to repeat that here. Especially not seeing as I'm on the other side now. Vagrant is a mod. His job is hard enough as it is, he certainly wouldn't say anything to cause offense. You can't blame other people if what they say causes you offense, especially if they worded it as carefully as he did so as to not cause offense. If you look closely, he mentioned the subject, but said you have to research it on your own, meaning he wasn't willing to discuss it here as people would take offense.

 

But either way, this thread has probably run its course. It's just going to get ugly from here on out. I'll go seek discussions in which one doesn't have to pander to the 'possibility of offense' by some members elsewhere.

[AncientSpaceAeon]

Firstly, you have to learn to take a comment as it was intended. If Vagrant didn't mean any offense, why are you taking any? A lot of Christians are fascinated by the end times. The fact that he didn't specifically say some Christians doesn't mean he implied all Christians are. That's basic logic.

 

And secondly, Ginnyfizz has been rooting to get the thread locked fr a while now. She was the first to call for a lock, and got it. Then I mailed Dark0ne, explaining the situation and asking for it to be reopened, which he did, and he explained that he did it because nobody was knocking religion. Ginnyfizz then immediately ran to quote an out-of-contect comment as a possible knock towards religion to prove that the thread should be locked, and has been making assertions that religion is being knocked ever since.

Oh, now everything makes sense! :facepalm: :facepalm: (Sorry! I didn't know about the "ginnyfizz wants this thread locked" part). However, even if Vagrant didn't mean any offense, I could still be offended (which I did). I just can't stand the word "strange". But just forget my previous posts.

 

I think I'm changing sides now.

Edited May 27, 2011 by Ancient Aeon

[ginnyfizz]

As a matter of fact, since Dark0ne ruled that this thread was to be unlocked after all, I have abided by his decision and have stated that I am not any longer requesting this thread be locked. I have merely asked that people don't use derogatory terms and stereotyping, and stop attributing fringe views to the mainstream. I am even agreeing that I believe that this Rapture day thing is scare mongering and is a financial scam. So just let's not extend this to Christians in general, and just concentrate on this rather dubious Reverend.

[Halororor]

I have merely asked that people don't use derogatory terms and stereotyping, and stop attributing fringe views to the mainstream.

 

Nobody did.

 

So just let's not extend this to Christians in general,

 

Nobody did.

 

and just concentrate on this rather dubious Reverend.

 

Good idea.

[Lisnpuppy]

I have read over this thread and I think maybe people would not get so bent out of shape..if in fact the words like, "some" and "it appears" and other terms like that are used. I see what Ginny says a bit since Vagrant used "Christians" and not something like "it appears some Christians..."

 

Believe me in discussions like this there is a difference. Though I am sure Vagrant didn't mean to throw all the Christians into the same pot there....thinking about HOW you say something is often as much or more important that WHAT you say.

 

So quit harshing my mellow today and leave Ginny be...she is right to stand up for what she believes and IT APPEARS that MANY of you could use a bit more care with the HOW of what you say!

 

*gives mom glare* Don't make me come in there. :biggrin:

[Halororor]

But the thing is, we all know Vagrant. We all know he wouldn't say something to offend anybody. From time to time it's wise to just use your brain to determine whether something somebody you know said really would be offensive.

 

I don't have a problem with anybody defending their religion, as I'd gladly defend their right to believe what they like. My problem is that people bend an issue way out of shape, simply because it's a touchy subject. Had Vagrant replaced the word Christians with 'catlovers', nobody would have batted an eye. And that's the way it should be with any subject.

[Lisnpuppy]

Use your brain hun.....and just don't go there. And as an avid cat lover perhaps I would...you just don't know. Using absolutes is almost never a good idea. *wink*

[Halororor]

Or people who get easily offended over unnecessary things can always just opt to stay out of threads containing stuff they are overly sensitive about? That way both parties involved wins.

[ginnyfizz]

It isn't up to you to arbitrate what sections any member can go in, any more than it is up to me.

 

It is as Lisnpuppy says, it is the kind of terms that are used that should be better thought out, and the way that things are said. One aspect of something multi-faceted has been taken and seized upon, and the use of the word "strange" is not necessary. Ironically, this picking and choosing of a particular element of a large whole is precisely what the dodgy Rev has done in order to create his scam. Let's not have people on here distorting things in the same way that the Rev has.

 

And I would say the same if anyone used an ill-advised term about your beliefs, too.

 

Anyway, why is it being called Rapture day? In my extensive reading of the relevant texts, it isn't a term I have come across.