Illegal Immigration

[CWFresh]

Alright, I've been noticing a growing problem in illegal immigrants since I was in sixth grade, and the only thing that I've seen happen is it getting worse. Illegal immigrants are sending our country's econmy downstairs like pulling your grandma's walker from under her. Every day thousands of immigrants pour into our country with not so much as a snap of the fingers and the beat of a pinata. Now, granted, if the most of them (and by most, I mean MOST ) didn't bring their crappy, chulo, wife-beating beliefs with them, maybe I would even turn a deaf ear and blind eye towards them, but they wouldn't want to leave their trashy culture behind. And believe me, I know honest hard-working mexicans who came here LEGALLY, and each of them took the GOOD parts from their culture, not this gangbanger crap.

 

My dad is a teacher, and he teaches an ELD (Eglish learning class) biology class. He found out that one of his students, under the age of 18, came from Mexico, pregnant. Now the father gets to stroll on up to care for the baby, but thing worst part is that she was paid MONEY to have sex, get pregnant, run across the border, and have the baby in the US so the 'father could get up here without any problem. What kind of BS is that?

 

My brother recently got a call from some friend in Pheinox, and his friend told him this: "I was driving down the street with my girlfriend and one of her friends, and I stopped at the red light. A truck of Mexicans pulled up beside us, trash talking or something, but I couldn't understand them cause they were speaking in Spanish. So my girlfriend opens up the window to ask what they were saying, and they each pulled out a gun, open firing at my girlfriend. I screeched away and the police later told me that they shot about forty or fifty shots at my car. and for no reason. Now my girlfriend and her friend are in critical condition at the hosiptal."

 

What the hell is that? What? Why? What would they want to do that for? I know this guy personally. He not in any gang, he's doesn't sell drugs. He works constustion the last time I heard. What amazing people.

[Dilvish]

Can you give us a link to the Phoenix shooting? A story like that would make it into the news for sure.

[Marcus Wolfe]

It's a shame most illegal immigrants deserve better living conditions, but cannot immigrate to America (or Canada, but I guess we're a little too far North, eh?)Exactly what law makes illegal immigrant 'illegal?'

[Malchik]

I have visited Mexico several times and do not recognise the 'trashy wife beating culture' you refer to as being typically mexican. My cousin's wife, who is a social worker in the US, reports that incest and physical abuse are widespread among the white communities of mid-west USA but I do not suppose that information is widely known in the country owing to the ostrich mentality of many who live there.

 

There are parts of the US with large native hispanic populations and many legal immigrants. You do not know that the rowdies who opened fire were not there legally. Their attitude is not different from many reported incidents perpetrated by whites. Such behaviour cannot be accepted anywhere but it is not confined to illegal immigrants, most of whom for obvious reasons keep a very low profile.

 

Parts of the US economy are sustained by exploitation of illegal immigrants. You should provide valid statistics to establish whether overall the positive and negative effects on the economy do result in a net loss. It isn't straightforward. Unfortunately I suspect there is no easy way to find the unbiased true figures. Best estimates tend to be formulated on political grounds.

 

Perhaps there is a problem, I am not coming down on either side of the fence, but if there is, the question has to be what to do about it. The issues are to do with some nations being poor and others being rich and it is international one. Any solution has to come from a balancing of the disparity so that the 'illegals' no longer have the need to leave where they are.

 

The alternative is to build a wall along the border with mexico and police it with uncorrupt cops who cannot be influenced by drug dealers, bought or threatened. And as that is a solution from cloud cuckoo land, we'd all better start working on coming to terms with the former idea!

[chris 07]

Something that you all have to realise is who grows the food. I live near a farm and the only people I see are mexicans. White people dont work in farms! Immigrants do, mostly mexican from what I see. White people always get better jobs cause of racial issues that still exist today. As an argentinian I look white so police are always nicer, my dad gets a better job, and a better house, all because he looks white. This one time my dad didnt have his seatbelt on, was on the cell phone, and speeding like crazy, and a police saw and without stopping or anything told my dad to pay attention. The cop was white, my dad looks white. My dad broke like 3 laws right there and he was let go as if it was nothing. If a mexican, or even a african, did the same thing, then they would be in court, or jail.

[CWFresh]

Ok, here are my views to solve a few problems... One, to solve the dependancy we have for them as field workers, we get the people in prisons to do the jobs. I feel it would be a lot more productive for them to pick our vegetables rather than sit around lifting weights or getting a college degree that they'll never use because they have a life sentence. Two, get truckloads of mexicans to build our wall, which would have to cover the entire border, put a tower every mile or two apart, then at least we would stop the flow of mexicans coming over illegally, and by illegally i mean no paperwork. I will admit that parts of mexico are in very bad shape. ex: Tijuana. but I must ask, why does it get nicer as you go a bit further south? because, possibly, the 'bad' mexicans are all trying to get north to cross the border. Tijuana is right on the boder, and if you go there, you'll know what i mean by trash.

[ItWotBeSoonBeforeLong]

Something that you all have to realise is who grows the food. I live near a farm and the only people I see are mexicans. White people dont work in farms! Immigrants do, mostly mexican from what I see. White people always get better jobs cause of racial issues that still exist today. As an argentinian I look white so police are always nicer, my dad gets a better job, and a better house, all because he looks white. This one time my dad didnt have his seatbelt on, was on the cell phone, and speeding like crazy, and a police saw and without stopping or anything told my dad to pay attention. The cop was white, my dad looks white. My dad broke like 3 laws right there and he was let go as if it was nothing. If a mexican, or even a african, did the same thing, then they would be in court, or jail.

Really???I live and Las Vegas and all i see is mexican checkers,(no farmers,its hot as hell),construction workers(which here get paid alot).I see absolutely not 1 single homeless mexican.

 

I think we should send the illegals to Iraq and have them fight to get citezenship.I think its funny when my mom went to europe,people dont playe around with people who dont have a passport.

 

(Excuse me if i am not making sense,ive slept about 3 hours in the past 2 days :wacko: )

[CWFresh]

Something that you all have to realise is who grows the food. I live near a farm and the only people I see are mexicans. White people dont work in farms! Immigrants do, mostly mexican from what I see. White people always get better jobs cause of racial issues that still exist today. As an argentinian I look white so police are always nicer, my dad gets a better job, and a better house, all because he looks white. This one time my dad didnt have his seatbelt on, was on the cell phone, and speeding like crazy, and a police saw and without stopping or anything told my dad to pay attention. The cop was white, my dad looks white. My dad broke like 3 laws right there and he was let go as if it was nothing. If a mexican, or even a african, did the same thing, then they would be in court, or jail.

Really???I live and Las Vegas and all i see is mexican checkers,(no farmers,its hot as hell),construction workers(which here get paid alot).I see absolutely not 1 single homeless mexican.

 

I think we should send the illegals to Iraq and have them fight to get citezenship.I think its funny when my mom went to europe,people dont playe around with people who dont have a passport.

 

(Excuse me if i am not making sense,ive slept about 3 hours in the past 2 days :wacko: )

 

Yes! I heard that before, but it's still great hearing that from someone else. That would be a great way to earn your citizenship, would it not?

[Malchik]

If you have your doubts about them, the last thing you would want to do is put them in charge of weapons!

 

I have been to Tiajuana and Calexico among other places in Mexico. They aren't particularly nice places I agree but they cater for the large number of tourists from the US who like to pick up cheap goods there. They are not typical towns. Mexico is a poor country. You can't expect it to resemble the US. Also, I would recommend getting wider international experience before making too many statements about what is trashy. I have seen US cities with as many 'trashy' areas and I mean areas inhabited by whites.

 

The problem is that some of the statements made above sound like the kind of claptrap the white supremacists spout.

 

Racism and xenophobia are found in all societies, among all races and creeds too. It is not going to go away. Nevertheless every right-thinking person should be doing their best to stamp it out, not to encourage it.

 

And be careful when reading stats to ensure they are in context. If someone said 80% of crime in El Paso Texas was hispanic in origin it would hardly be surprising as the population is 80% that ethnicity. Gangsters, criminals, drug dealers etc. etc can be from ANY race - think of the Mafia, the Tongs, the Russian 'mafia'.

 

I repeat the only way forward is to help the poorer nations to develop so their inhabitants won't seek to leave.

[Peregrine]

You know, I would post a point-by-point counter-argument here, but what's the point?

 

So in short, yes, illegal immigration is a problem, for a couple reasons:

 

1) Open borders prevent us from limiting who we allow into the country, violent criminals can get in just as easily as people legitimately looking for work.

 

2) Illegal immigrants are exploited by businesses. Since they can't complain about minimum wage and other violations without risking deportation, businesses can get away with a lot more abuse.

 

3) Illegal immigrants get benefits (welfare, medical benefits, etc) without paying the taxes that the rest of us do. The problem with this should be obvious.

 

 

The solution is a combination of better border security, combined with a careful look at our legal immigration process to make sure legitimate law-abiding immigrants aren't forced to come over illegally since it's the only way. The solution is NOT racist "keep the Mexicans out!!!" idiocy like CWFresh is suggesting.

 

And ItWotBeSoonBeforeLong, your idea of sending immigrants to Iraq is stupid beyond belief. Ignoring the issue of whether we should trust non-citizens to fight in the military, use your few scraps of common sense for a second: what are the odds that someone with no training, few skills (most illegal immigrants are unskilled labor), and no knowledge of English, is actually going to be a useful asset in the military? And should we keep out anyone who isn't a healthy male between ages 18-30 and willing to fight?

 

EDIT: Removed the flame.

 

- Switch