This was posted in "tech support" but I really really need help!

[abetts94]

Please help if you can. I'm going to just post the original post and then some updates. Apologies for the long thread. I'm just trying to include as much information as anyone might need.

 

This might be a long one but just hear me out because I know a lot of other people have had similar experiences but each one varies slightly so here goes.

I haven't played Fallout 4 in maybe a month or so. I remember there was an update that I downloaded but I didn't play the game after that. I did, however want to start playing the game again yesterday. So I opted in for the beta which includes a few new things to the workshop and some bug fixes.

I then went and downloaded something like 20 mods from the Nexus. Now I have never ever had a problem with any of the mods, my last save game was working flawlessley with like 40 mods installed. None of the mods are any that drastically change the game.

I can't remember all the mods that I installed but most of them were settlement mods like Homemaker Settlemens Expanded and a higher settlement budget, Armorsmith and pretty much all the standard mods that everyone has.

So, then I get down to wanting to play the game, spash screen opens up fine, but the problem occurs when I press play and it goes onto that old timey style "Please wait" screen or whatever. It stays on it for about two seconds, three at most and then the game completely closes. Just completely closes, no error messages, no glitchyness, just shuts down as if I closed it myself (Which I didn't). So then I'm thinking it's the mods, I uninstall Nexus Mod Manager but the problem is still there. I opt out of the beta, still happens. I opt back in for the beta and verify my game cache, still happens. I literally have no idea what to do now.

Sorry for the absolute essay of a post but I just wanted to explain every small detail that might help someone who knows what's going on.

If you need to know, I'm running on Windows 10, Intel Core i7 and a Nvidia Geforce 750ti and I can run the game flawlessly on High settings.

Any help anyone can offer will be hugely appreciated. I'll also post this onto the Steam forums to see if anyone there has any ideas.

Hope you can help.

UPDATE 1;"Have you tried completely uninstalling FO4 and flushing all of the folders/files related to FO4 especially the INIs and then doing a clean install? Also try not using any old saves. And do not install any mods at all until you can see if the game will launch and run. Then add the mods you want but as you install try running the game after each installed mod or small group of mods to see if it runs ok."

Yeah I thought that might help. I've literally just finished re downloading FO4 now so I'll see what happens!

UPDATE 2: Hang on, I think I might be onto something here... In between the last time I played FO4 and Yesterday, I installed WinRar. Could it be possible that because WinRar has taken control of being the program used to open files and has therefore changed the program used to open the FO4 files. Could it be possible that FO4 can't access it's own files anymore due to them having to be opened in WinRar?

Like, is that a thing that can happen?

So now, I uninstalled WinRar. I ran a Direct X updater. I went through all my folders and deleted every last trace of a mod file that could mess with the game. On top of that, I thought maybe it was because I moved some of my files to the Local Disc so I moved them back, verified my game cache twice. Restarted my computer and I got as far as "Bethesda Softworks" before it shut down again. I am begging anyone for any help! I literally have no idea what is going wrong. I have completely cleaned all possible interference's from my computer and Fallout 4 is completely clean. Please can someone help me, I'm all out of ideas.

[ddavies10693]

You could possibly try restoring your entire pc to an older version if possible. It's called "windows back up and recovery" because it seems like something on there now is completely FUBAR. If you're lucky, there could be a saved version of your computer on there from a few days ago before you updated and installed mods. Your mistake was that you installed mods onto a beta update likely before the mods had a chance to update their mods to work with the beta. Betas by definition are not as stable as full releases, and mods will diminish stability even more. The reason this game crashes is because it's overloading your pc in some crucial way, or the game is trying to access data and it's not there, isn't compatible or has ben moved/replaced.

 

Also to answer your question about WinRAR, the short answer is "no." WinRAR doesn't affect things like that unless you're using it completely wrong and not following instructions at all.

Edited February 25, 2016 by ddavies10693

[trold]

When you uninstalled the game, did you delete the Fallout4 folder?

If you just use the steam ui or windows uninstaller to remove programs, any custom files such as mods for example, still reside in their folder.

[Royhr]

Do you have more than one drive? If so is FO4 and NMM installed on the same drive? I've seen posted somewhere that this is recommended or even maybe required. If you have only one drive then you might want to create a games folder and make sure that both are installed into that folder and not into the program folder like it would be on default. If you do have it installed into the programs folder you can move the Steam folder from the program folder pretty easily. You just have to do it correctly so not to cause any problems. Go to this link for instructions...

 

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7418-YUBN-8129

 

Also does it still not launch and run when running with no mods installed at all? A lot of times when the games crashes on startup like you are haying it's because of an issue with a mod either not installed correctly or corrupted or even possibly a bad load order. If you have any mods installed try uninstalling them. Not just deactivating but completely uninstalling them.

[AceGoober]

After reading the thread twice, I see these things:

 

1. there isn't any mention of verifying game cache through Steam.

 

2. There isn't any mention of running LOOT to sort the load order.

 

3. There also isn't any mention of whether the update was the Beta or the official 1.3 patch.

 

Try verifying game cache first since it appears you've already uninstalled the mods.

[ddavies10693]

I do see up there that he said he verified the game cache, which I believe must be done through steam, unless there's multiple ways to do it?

Edited February 25, 2016 by ddavies10693

[Royhr]

One more thing that you might want to check because I just remembered that I had this happen to me awhile back and forgot about it. Just check and make sure that the game's video resolution matches your default desktop resolution. When I ran the FO4.exe initially to create the ini like you need to do it defaulted to the 1280x720 setting. This did not match my desktop screen resolution so when I tried running the game it would crash during startup. Changing the game resolution to match my desktop resolution of 2560x1440 fixed the crashing issue.

[abetts94]

Hey guys, thank you so much for all your help and suggestions!

Another thing I noticed after I was looking around the Fallout 4 data files was that there are still mod files in the data folder. I couldn't be bothered to sort through everything in there so I just deleted the entire folder and all 3000 files of content. After doing so, I went back onto Steam and verified the cache again and now I'm re installing everything I deleted. All 23gb worth. So hopefully that fixes it.

And yea I set my resolution to 2560 x 1440. When it did the initial scan, it didn't recognize my driver settings, which I thought was odd because I thought the Geforce 750 Ti was fairy new? But I even updated the driver and so on so I don't think thats the issue. Because if it was an issue, it would have come up on the first or second play through's of the game surely?

[abetts94]

Holy s#*! it worked! Upon further thought, I think it was a mix of new mods, double versions of mods and half deleted mods. I remember when I updated NMM, all 20 mods I had installed for my second playthrough, had gone. But just because they weren't showing up in NMM, I think they still existed. So on top of that, I installed like another 25 mods and it may have just buggered everything up.
But thank you all for your help! I really appreciate it. Gonna have to get in touch with Bethesda Support now and tell them the situation is defused.

[steve40]

Holy s*** it worked! Upon further thought, I think it was a mix of new mods, double versions of mods and half deleted mods. I remember when I updated NMM, all 20 mods I had installed for my second playthrough, had gone. But just because they weren't showing up in NMM, I think they still existed. So on top of that, I installed like another 25 mods and it may have just buggered everything up.

But thank you all for your help! I really appreciate it. Gonna have to get in touch with Bethesda Support now and tell them the situation is defused.

Yes. When you deactivate a mod it is best also to move its loose files out of the data folders because the game will still try to load the loose textures/meshes/sounds etc even without the esp file active. Also, some mods depend on certain other mods being present. If you forget this and uninstall or disable a mod that is required by one of your other mods, you will get a CTD before the save loads.