Imageshare Showcases/Story work

[StandAlone97]

Meh. Talking about an overhaul without focusing on the one thing that gives the Nexus imageshare an edge over any place else isn't worth bothering with. Well other then the posting set up as well although you can do sets on tumblr so...

 

I think Top image system can be very simply altered to be more fair. Restrict it to one set per person, if they get into the top there is a 3 weeks cooldown before another set of theirs can be in the top. That way the ones with a large following or large friends list will get there tops and be out of the way for other users who don't get the same level of support. Would alter things to a one week cycle as well instead of a two week rotation. This would render a lot the silly social games these people play moot. Allow more users proper recognition and increased views.

This would only be implemented on the more active imageshares like Skyrim/Fallout 4. As Jim has pointed out the other imageshares are fine... If future games show up with very active imageshares you can just roll them into this filter while less active ones use the old system. Removing the top image section only further increases the current status quo. Those who sit on the high perches of having a large friends list or a large following will continue to get lots of recognition and support while the rest remain even more obscure.

I do like the idea of a tagging system so you could filter tops of landscapes, portraits, mods etc but that would require the system to be enforced and used. Also it would be nice to have a way to reward those who do support a lot of people, however it would have to be done properly. As someone merely copy/pasting Nice shot or good shots isn't really support.

 

Some of us enjoy things in different ways.

[Yngol1Storm1Blade]

My question would be,.. what is the need for/ thought behind a top images section ??

Has it proven to add any value to the viewing experience ? ,,,,

Why not get rid of it all together ??

If there is a big need to be named/rewarded as an extraodinary person why not create a category for most active endorser, or commenter.

Categories that praises the amount of appreciation you show others instead of recognition for your own work.

You can get that from comments or endorsements,..

We all know who'd fill most active endorser and commenter. xD

They're in the top images enough as it is. Giving the person more categories to fill would just make them worse. lol

[marmotte]

About comments and endorsements:

 

Why don't we see negative comments? why don't we see constructive criticisms ? Apparently all is always perfect and positive?

 

I don't think so.

 

So why are we afraid to post these type of comments? I think too much peoples are afraid to lose endorsements.

 

That's the proof comments and endorsements are linked. They shouldn"t be.

 

I posted around 500 images here with several sets too. Since 2007 (my join date) , i received 1 negative comment!! lol

 

That's the proof comments are maybe a little bit too much positives.

 

I definitly think constructive criticisms and negative comments should be a real part of this image sharing area. Peoples learn form their errors and i'm the first in this case. It's like in school :smile:

 

Maybe with more " free speech" :laugh:, over endorsements and repetitive top image could change... maybe... Anyway i'm for the visibility for everybody -beginners, intermediate and talented.

 

sorry again for my english..

Edited March 18, 2016 by marmotte

[TheVampireDante]

I definitly think constructive criticisms and negative comments should be a real part of this image sharing area.

 

Problem is most of the time the criticism posted is anything but constructive. No one has any problems with something helpful, but repeated shouts of "your character's ugly", "I don't like ____" or "this sucks, do better" can hardly be described as something to be proud of posting.

[marmotte]

 

I definitly think constructive criticisms and negative comments should be a real part of this image sharing area.

 

Problem is most of the time the criticism posted is anything but constructive. No one has any problems with something helpful, but repeated shouts of "your character's ugly", "I don't like ____" or "this sucks, do better" can hardly be described as something to be proud of posting.

 

Yes, i'm agree with you. So how can we convice (persuade) members to be contructive? i believe in the intelligence of the community.

 

I notice constructive criticisms and negative comments are present and helpful in the mod area.

[JimboUK]

 

 

I definitly think constructive criticisms and negative comments should be a real part of this image sharing area.

 

Problem is most of the time the criticism posted is anything but constructive. No one has any problems with something helpful, but repeated shouts of "your character's ugly", "I don't like ____" or "this sucks, do better" can hardly be described as something to be proud of posting.

 

Yes, i'm agree with you. So how can we convice (persuade) members to be contructive? i believe in the intelligence of the community.

 

I notice constructive criticisms and negative comments are present and helpful in the mod area.

 

 

I don't think it's possible to convince everyone, you'll always get those who can't get their heads around what constructive criticism is or those who just want to bash things, it's not as if constructive criticism isn't allowed, it is. There is no need whatsoever for negative comments, they help no one and serve only to discourage, you can help and remain positive.

[bben46]

Constructive criticism is allowed. However, it seems that few people here actually know the difference between trolling and constructive criticism. "YOU SUCK AT MODS JUST GO AWAY AND DIE!!!", is not constructive criticism - although it is criticism in the strict sense it is definitely not constructive. However, it is both trolling and flaming and will draw a moderator's attention. :yes:

 

On the other hand, some mod authors have very thin skin when it comes to any criticism, constructive or otherwise. No mod is perfect, and yours isn't either. Please reread any criticism to see if the poster actually intended to insult you, or is just not good at polite criticism. :thumbsup:

[RatherWindy]

 

My question would be,.. what is the need for/ thought behind a top images section ??

Has it proven to add any value to the viewing experience ? ,,,,

Why not get rid of it all together ??

If there is a big need to be named/rewarded as an extraodinary person why not create a category for most active endorser, or commenter.

Categories that praises the amount of appreciation you show others instead of recognition for your own work.

You can get that from comments or endorsements,..

We all know who'd fill most active endorser and commenter. xD

They're in the top images enough as it is. Giving the person more categories to fill would just make them worse. lol

 

I agree with your view,.. i already wrote that it was a rather silly idea,.. but the thought is that i think it's using common sense to think about wether a certain feature is adding something or not.

To me personnally it does not,.. i could live very well without.

But if it does have a use that is shared by the majority of users i think the idea's proposed by Tetrodoxin are very constructive and usable ,.. and fair.

And to me there is still the open question of what the added value is of a top images section if the main goal is sharing. Is there a real need of one being a more beautifull sharing person then another ??

Any thoughts on that ??

I read that Marmotte named that competition or the striving to become a better screenarcher by looking at works that are "top " ranked could be reasons to uphold this system.

If that were the general opinion i'd go along without a problem, because the top images section doesn't bother me in the way that others seem to be bothered by, but for me personnaly it doesn't work that way.

I get inspired when i see quality work and that makes me strive to improve myself on a personal basis,.. I do not need top images for that,..

 

I think constructive criticism is possible if you ask specifically for it: "I seem to be struggling getting m character to look this or that way,.. does anyone have an idea what i could do to improve on that ?"

I've seen these kind of questions and mostly they were answered and the person who asked the question felt helped.

But i think very few people will give constructive criticism out of the blue. You have to ask for i think,..

Edited March 19, 2016 by janswin

[marmotte]

I would like to continue on the main subject of this topic: " Imageshare Showcases/Story work " and add some humble reflections with my very bad english :smile:

 

Idea 1 )

 

The image share section works vertically actually. i mean, when you watch a set, you use your wheel mouse.

Maybe, if we could see sets in a horizontal direction , it could be better. From left to right with arrow. It's just my feeling.

When i read a book, i read it from left to right. It's just natural.

 

Idea 2 )

 

We should be able to watch full hd image in fullscreen. An image is really better in fullscreen. For the main image and for all the set. It's a 10 000 000 members site. I notice that when the elder scroll 6 will be there all images wil be very high definition. I will have not pleasure to watch the elder scroll 6 on thumbnails :smile:

I notice, a lot of sets creator always write in their sets " Click right... open in new tab to see hd...etc"

Well, actualy, it's not practical and not ergonomic.

 

Idea 3)

 

Members could be able to choose between different quality views, depends of the bandwidth of everybody.

 

Idea 4 )

 

Peoples could endorse only if they saw the image. I have already see many images without views but with endorsements......

 

Idea 5 )

 

I repeat myself., the possibility to create a full screen slideshow with music samples.

 

Idea 6)

 

To motivate peoples to create story telling and sets, a new simple rule can be created:

 

For a set/ storytelling (number of images > 10) : 1 endorsement = 5 endorsements

For one image or more (number of images < 10) : 1 endorsement = 1 endorsement

Edited March 22, 2016 by marmotte

[GodOfVengeance]

I came across this discussion and although I don't have that many ideas currently, I would like to share my point of view.

 

I've joined the Nexus in 2010 and have been posting images since 2013. I'm not the most talented screen-archer and I do feel myself that I post too many portraits, haha, but there's definitely been some things that I've noticed in these last 3 years. As many people have already mentioned, being very social and/or active gives you a big advantage over other people.

 

I was always a 'loner' and just posted shots for the fun of it. I never even saw my shots as 'art' until some people told me they liked my art. It' completely changed my point of view. I have always been a bit competitive and I really wanted to reach the 'magic Top Images section'. To this day, however, I have never reached it even once, haha. I got really pissed a few times seeing that the same people got into the Top Images with the most simple, and dare I say it, ugly shots I had ever seen. It all came back to the fact that this person was just very active and it didn't matter what he uploaded, people endorsed it immediately, because he endorsed them. As the competitive person I was back then, I couldn't stand this and stopped posting a few times. Even rethinking if I should stay on the site.

 

Now, a long time later, my whole mindset has changed. I'm no longer competitive and have actually (very recently) started commenting more and being more active. I did endorse a lot back in the days but never really commented on anything. Now I do. This change, for me, made sharing images a lot more fun again. And, funny enough, me being more active gave me more endorsements. I now wonder how many actually liked the images instead of just auto endorsing my shots because I endorsed theirs.

 

Although I am no longer in a competitive mindset, I do feel the Top Images section could offer something to the site/community. Be it for the competitive people or for the people who like to see shots that have been well appreciated, I feel it's not the worst thing out there. It just needs a simple change. The decay system tetrodoxin posted is a good start, however, I do feel it's also a good solution to, as mentioned before, limit it to 1 set per person, for either a month or 3 weeks. This will keep the people happy that are taking this a bit more 'serious' and will also bring more variety to the Top Images.

 

To bring even more variety, why not use the image 'tags' as their own section of Top Images. Right now there are a bit too many, but something like 'Story', 'Funny', 'Portrait' and/or 'Landscape'. I feel it would be nice to see top images in these sections aswell. Because, as most people probably know, a beautiful landscape shot will get crushed by the first person that posts a very well endowed female in skimpy armor. :P

 

So, yeah, that's my current opinion about the Top Images section in general. The overhaul that tetrodoxin showed looks very promising, though. I could definitely support that!

 

Anyway, I think it's extremely important, as a community, to send out a positive attitude to newer members/screen-archers. Constructive criticism should definitely be possible, but, like jim_uk mentioned, some people really need to be reminded what constructive criticism actually is. It might be a good idea to make a nice section for that aswell in the Nexus Wiki. Speaking about that, make the Nexus Wiki a bit more relevant by placing a link where people would actually see it. I also didn't know there was a Nexus Wiki until I read this discussion!

 

Finally, my last 'complaint' would be the 'adult' tag. Right now it's simply way too weird and vague. I had no single clue what it meant other than that I was not allowed to post nude shots (which I wasn't planning on doing). I always thought that, if you clicked the adult tag, your pictures would be placed in the supporter section where I wouldn't be able to see them anymore (since I'm currently not a 'supporter'). This definitely needs to be better explained. This was coming from someone who is posting shots for the past 3 years. I wonder what a new user would think, haha. However, maybe I'm just stupid, who knows!

 

All in all, I thought I'd throw in my opinion. I've been enjoying the image share a lot and lately even more than usual, despite the current problems. I would love to see it grow into something better again.