Faust870 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I stated before it would be a curse... See even if you had the ability to live forever... nothing would stop a bullet to the head... I think if immortality was possible... there would be a larger amount of sucides... Anyone agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 On the question of the definition of immortality I entirely agree with Faust's last point. Unless resurrection were feasible, immortality sounds impossible. We might one day develop the ability to stay young and resist disease but we couldn't resist having the head cut off! But with advances in science - who knows? Maybe we will discover how to work magic too. Suicide I doubt. Human beings have learned to adapt to most things that have hit us so far. Immortality, unless discovered overnight, is most likely to be preceded with a period of increasing longevity to which society would slowly adapt. When and if immortality came, much of the adaptation would already have occurred. A final thought. I understand that when our sun 'dies' it will expand to swallow up the earth in the process. What does 'immortality' mean in those circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvuruAgnost Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 who wants to be immortal??? I ask my self. Not me. I woud considder that immortality woud be the worst punihment ever. think of it you can never die. what if you get poor and live in a bad life who wants to be immortal then?????? :( :rip: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 A poor immortal? I can't help but to notice a lot of the draw backs are the same as why peopel wouldn't want to be a vampire, but come on who cares if your immortal and cannot die by any means, then sleep anywhere, take anything you want, live however you want, Would anybody that is indestructible by any means and immortal really care about laws? I wouldn't, I would make you all my slaves and rule the world, I would inforce sick laws so that everyone would be good because everything is so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 .... sleep anywhere, take anything you want, live however you want, Would anybody that is indestructible by any means and immortal really care about laws? I wouldn't, I would make you all my slaves and rule the world, I would inforce sick laws so that everyone would be good because everything is so bad. And get a bullet through the head. In this case, immortality is immunity to aging, not invulnerability to any kind of death. And who cares if you're poor to begin with. You're not going to die, take a few hundred years and get rich! As for the idea of suicide/not being able to adapt, the body may be changed, but will the mind change with it? Can we really deal with a thousand years of life's bad events? And another point, will you still remember your past? I'm stealing this from a science fiction book where anti-aging had put lifespans up into the 500s. And after some point, memory started to fail. Could you live with reading a history book about yourself and not being able to remember the events? That love a hundred years ago forgotten as if it never happened. So even if society has time to change, will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackcowanii Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 I beleive that immortality is impossible, yet 500-100 yrs old is. But the whole thing about "Playing God" is a sin since the definition of sin is an act wanting to be free of gods control....so this would not be a good thing and it probobly would trigger an apocilipse, because God would be pissed...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Assuming that god even exists to care. And by your definition, anything we do to stay alive is "playing god". Get sick? Better start praying, since if a doctor helps you that would be going against god's plan! Cut and bleeding to death? Can't touch you, god must want you dead now, better pray for him to change his mind. See why this argument doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 I agree, if God 'created' us in 'his own image' then why would he give us the capability of free will, intelligence, reasoning, and logic? It is beyond reason and logic to state that: "Playing God" is a sin since the definition of sin is an act wanting to be free of gods control....so this would not be a good thing and it probobly would trigger an apocilipse, because God would be pissed......" Why would God do such a thing? He, if He exists at all, created us in the first place and made us in his image and gave us these faculties that we have. Would wanting to better one's life really be 'an act wanting to be free of God's control'? I think not. It would be hypocritical and the point of folly to create something in your own image, and then declare that if this thing uses its GOD GIVEN ABILITIES to extend it's own life and become like it's creator, that it is a Sin and is therefore punishable by complete annihilation. To me, it sounds like 'God' obviously didn't have the foggiest or slightest idea what He was doing when He created the Earth and all of the things on it, if He makes such Rules like the above stated. By the way, this is not to flame anyone or any religion. I am agnostic, or something close to it. But I am not forcing anyone to believe my beliefs, and if by writing the above rebutal (this is a debate forum in any case) I have offended any parties or people, then you have my most sincere appology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Peregrine asks if the mind would adapt and then talks about a book he has been reading. There is a flaw in this argument. If all society becomes immortal mental adaptation in some form will happen. What seems strange or undesirable to us now would not if we were part of that society. (Similar situations can be found in the world today when we can't understand why certain groups of people are happy with things we would not be.) On the other hand if immortality were selective that would be a very different situation. There is an opera by Janacek called Vec Makropoulos (usually translated as The Makropoulos Document) about a woman, Emilia Marty in the opera, who has the Elixir to Eternal Life. The curse, as someone mentioned above, is she has lost the ability to be interested in anything. In my fantasy fiction I deal with eternal beings, long-lived beings and ordinary humans and the very difficult and often tragic relationships this must lead to. In those circumstances I can imagine suicide, depression and all kinds of mental problems. But human beings do evolve and adapt and were it to happen that we all lived longer and longer we would adapt to that too. As for Acrid's idea of taking over the world. That could only occur if you were the only immortal (or one of few) and to be frank I subscribe to the Emilia Marty theory. You would lose interest in even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvuruAgnost Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 if god wanted us to be immortal he woud have done it from the beggining and that woud have changed the whole world. Maybe everybod woud go around speeking another language thn we di now or we maybe wodent be born becouse our grandapa dident got your mother, but married someone else. That wodent be suchs a nice thing. :oops: i soudenth be living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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