Mod Picker: The Fearsome Juggernaut

[ElioraArin]

At the end of the day "Mod Picker" will be nothing without mod authors providing mods, "Nexus" would be nothing without mod authors providing mods - ignore the wishes of the authors & they will ignore us users.

[Barbelos]

 

Ok. I see the contradiction there. My point (that I failed to properly get across) was that mod authors have themselves chosen to upload their mods to Nexus knowing about the endorsement system on this site. They have not agreed to another system on an external site. While I agree that when mods are posted on a public site, they are open to critique and linking from elsewhere. The difference between a discussion on a reddit thread and the inclusion of a mod in a massive database on the Nexus or Mod Picker is something else entirely. As for metacritic, it's not only companies misusing the site, but also users with some agenda or another completely separate from the quality of what they're eviewing.

See to me it doesn't seem like something else entirely.

 

We agree that people have the right to review and link to mods.

We agree that mod authors should expect this to happen when they make their mods public, because that is what "public" means.

But for some reason when you put all of those reviews in one easily accessible searchable database, it becomes wrong?

 

Also, based on your description, it sounds like you think that anybody who posts a mod to Nexus after Mod Picker has launched has implicitly agreed to be reviewed there, because otherwise they could just not post their mod if they don't want it to be reviewed. (Same way they can just not post their mod if they don't want it endorsed.)

 

This also works retroactively for mods that were posted before mod picker was a thing. The mod authors did not implicitly agree to that. It's true that mod authors can choose not to post mods to the nexus if they don't want them to be featured on mod picker (where they have less control than on their own mod page on nexus). I for one thinks it would be a shame to drive mod authors away from using this site.

[Bukee]

 

However, when the same person sees a "review form" in front of them, with a rating scale to "judge" the quality of the author's work with every breath, then their role suddenly shifts into an arbiter

So it's just like endorsements.

[nhlaxd]

 

This also works retroactively for mods that were posted before mod picker was a thing. The mod authors did not implicitly agree to that. It's true that mod authors can choose not to post mods to the nexus if they don't want them to be featured on mod picker (where they have less control than on their own mod page on nexus). I for one thinks it would be a shame to drive mod authors away from using this site.

 

And? The right to privacy is gone when you release something publicly. You can't stop people from having opinions or disseminating stats/facts/opinions on publicly available things. There's nothing unique about Mod Picker in this regard.

[lofgren]

As for metacritic, it's not only companies misusing the site, but also users with some agenda or another, completely separate from the quality of what they're reviewing.

Earlier I would have said, "Surely the stakes on a mod review site are so low that the incidences of gaming the stats would be rare enough for a few moderators to keep up with," but now I see what a serious business mods are.

[Barbelos]

 

As for metacritic, it's not only companies misusing the site, but also users with some agenda or another, completely separate from the quality of what they're reviewing.

Earlier I would have said, "Surely the stakes on a mod review site are so low that the incidences of gaming the stats would be rare enough for a few moderators to keep up with," but now I see what a serious business mods are.

 

It's precisely because mods are not a serious business I am against this system. See my post above about accountability.

[Barbelos]

I have a question for the mod picker creators. Do you still plan to have direct download links to mods? That should be an obvious no-no. Linking to the mod frontpage will give traffic to the nexus, and display relevant information to the mod user.

[nhlaxd]

I have a question for the mod picker creators. Do you still plan to have direct download links to mods? That should be an obvious no-no. Linking to the mod frontpage will give traffic to the nexus, and display relevant information to the mod user.

 

It was literally never even a goal. It has always intended to direct end users to the mod download pages on other sites, like the nexus.

 

I've talked with Dark0ne to get an understanding of what would be acceptable in terms of bandwidth usage. We're not planning on downloading mods from the Nexus or hosting any mod files on our site at all.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/40lp2b/skyrim_mod_picker_progress_report_1/

[JUNKdeLUXE]

I have a question for the mod picker creators. Do you still plan to have direct download links to mods? That should be an obvious no-no. Linking to the mod frontpage will give traffic to the nexus, and display relevant information to the mod user.

 

Still?!?! This has NEVER been something they were going to do.. They've even talked about WHY it wasn't good...

 

I don't get how people expect to be able to criticize and debate on a basis of hear-say, instead of education themselves about a topic before going full rant...

 

 

Your point is automatically moot, if you haven't tried (at least a little) to figure out what you are discussing.

Edited April 25, 2016 by JUNKdeLUXE

[lofgren]

It's precisely because mods are not a serious business I am against this system. See my post above about accountability.

This would be the logic that goes "Mod makers do not get paid for their work, so THEREFORE having a site dedicated to reviewing mods is inappropriate if the modders never explicitly consented to being reviewed on that site?"

Edited April 25, 2016 by lofgren