Stuck because of CTD

[Bboy207]

Hello I am great fan of skyrim and last week i realized i haven't played in 2 years. so i reinstalled the game and started to set up my mods. i started my play through fine. i got a few hours in and i was resting in the Barnard mare and when i went to exit the next morning it ctd when trying to load into white run. now like all modded playthroughs i had some crashing every once and awhile so i just tried to reload and try again. that didn't work and it has now been 2 days of me editing my mods trying to find out what is wrong. I have the newest version of skse so it isn't that

 

my load order

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Wyrmstooth.esp

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

7 7 notice board.esp

8 8 RSkyrimChildren.esm

9 9 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

10 a Falskaar.esm

11 b Campfire.esm

12 c shadowscaleset.esp

13 d 1nivWICCloaks.esp

14 e When Vampires Attack.esp

15 f TradeBarter.esp

16 10 TimingIsEverything.esp

17 11 Thundering Shouts.esp

18 12 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

19 13 notice board - dragonborn patch.esp

20 14 SkyUI.esp

21 15 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

22 16 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

23 17 Wynter.esp

24 18 SimplyKnock.esp

25 19 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimalBehavior.esp

26 1a Run For Your Lives.esp

27 1b RSChildren - Complete.esp

28 1c RobedSteelPlateArmor.esp

29 1d Religion.esp

30 1e RealisticWaterTwo.esp

31 1f RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

32 20 RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp

33 21 RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp

34 22 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

35 23 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

36 24 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp

37 25 RealNames.esp

38 26 RaceMenu.esp

39 27 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

40 28 Paper World Map - Falskaar.esp

41 29 Paper World Map - Wyrmstooth.esp

42 2a Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

43 2b Ordinator - Dragonborn Respec.esp

44 2c BP2Meeko.esp

45 2d TES Arena Amol.esp

46 2e TES Blackmoor.esp

47 2f Tes Dunparwall.esp

48 30 TES DunstadGrove.esp

49 31 Tes Granite Hall.esp

50 32 Tes Heralchen Creek.esp

51 33 Tes Arena Nimalten.esp

52 34 Tes Arena NorthKeep.esp

53 35 Tes Pagran Village.esp

54 36 Tes Sunguard.esp

55 37 Tes Vernim Wood.esp

56 38 LandLord_.esp

57 39 iNeed.esp

58 3a Inconsequential NPCs.esp

59 3b Immersive Weapons.esp

60 3c Immersive Patrols II.esp

61 3d iHUD.esp

62 3e CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

63 3f Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

64 40 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

65 41 Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

66 42 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

67 43 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

68 44 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

69 45 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

70 46 Convenient Horses.esp

71 47 Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp

72 48 Cloaks.esp

73 49 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

74 4a Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

75 4b Brows.esp

76 4c ESO Breton Knight by NewrMind43.esp

77 4d Beards.esp

78 4e Dr_Bandolier.esp

79 4f AOS.esp

80 50 AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

81 51 AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp

82 52 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

83 53 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

84 54 Differently Ebony.esp

85 55 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

86 56 AMatterOfTime.esp

87 57 Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp

88 58 3DNPC.esp

89 59 3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp

90 5a AFT_iNPCFix.esp

91 5b BluePalace.esp

92 5c ShezrieOldHroldanVer2.esp

93 5d TakeNotes.esp

94 5e DialogueTweaks.esp

95 5f imp_helm_legend.esp

96 60 Lock Overhaul.esp

97 61 ArmorOfIntrigue.esp

98 62 DeadlyCombat.esp

99 63 Frostfall.esp

100 64 WetandCold.esp

101 65 WetandCold - Ashes.esp

102 66 vImmersiveBeds.esp

103 67 Morskom.esp

104 68 Western Watchtower Rebuilt.esp

105 69 Solitude A City Of Trade.esp

106 6a Whitewatch Tower.esp

107 6b TES5R - TempleOfTalos.esp

108 6c TES5R - White Pial.esp

109 6d TES5R - AngelinesAromatics.esp

110 6e TES5R - BitsandPieces.esp

111 6f Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp

112 70 RealShelter.esp

113 71 RSPatch.esp

114 72 RealShelterJKLargeCities.esp

115 73 TrueStorms.esp

116 74 HoldBorderBanners.esp

117 75 BetterStartDawnguard.esp

118 76 Dual Sheath Redux.esp

119 77 Equipping Overhaul.esp

120 78 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

121 79 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

122 7a Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

123 7b TKDodge.esp

124 7c GarrettThiefArmor.esp

125 7d Character Creation Overhaul.esp

126 7e CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp

127 7f CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp

128 80 CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp

129 81 sandboxcylinderheight.esp

130 82 Omegared99-MarkarthSilverblood.esp

131 83 Omegared99-RiftenNigthwatch.esp

132 84 Omegared99-SavageHunter.esp

133 85 Omegared99-SolitudeInfantry.esp

134 86 Omegared99-WindhelmKnight.esp

135 87 Omegared99-GalleryOfArmor.esp

136 88 WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp

137 89 WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp

138 8a WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp

139 8b RealisticRoomRental.esp

140 8c RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp

141 8d Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

142 8e ASIS-Dependency.esp

143 8f Extended Encounters.esp

144 90 Hunterborn.esp

145 91 PumpingIron.esp

146 92 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

147 93 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

148 94 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

149 95 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

150 96 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

151 97 RLO - Adaptive Interiors Vanilla Weathers Patch.esp

152 98 SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

153 99 Unique Uniques.esp

154 9a Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp

155 9b Immersive Music Temples.esp

156 9c Immersive Music.esp

157 9d Undeath.esp

158 9e Footprints.esp

159 9f Halamshiral - no NPC.esp

160 a0 Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp

161 a1 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

162 a2 ASIS.esp

163 a3 Thunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch.esp

164 a4 Thunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.esp

165 a5 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

166 a6 OBIS.esp

167 a7 OBISDB.esp

168 a8 Elemental_Dragons.esp

169 a9 RavenRockExpanded.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp

170 aa JKs Skyrim.esp

171 ab Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

172 ac warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

173 ad Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

174 ae Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 1.esp

Edited April 27, 2016 by Bboy207

[AnubisEnsho]

You should probably use LOOT and Wyre Bash if you aren't already.

 

From what I understand LOOT places the mods in the best possible order while Wyre Bash lets them work together easier.

Edited April 25, 2016 by AnubisEnsho

[Bboy207]

I do currently use loot, but i have never used Wyre Bash

[Bboy207]

i just got raged and deleted my saves. I wasn't that far anyways. tomorrow i will try to start a new game and see what happens. my leading theory is i changed some mods up after i started and maybe the game couldn't handle that.

[jones177]

Hi

 

You probably need the skse memory patch to get through the door. Before the patch came out Whiterun was a no go area in my game in the morning & early evening. Too many NPC moving about. The patch & a 4gb video card allows me to have as many NPCs as I want.

 

A cell can go bad for up to 3 game days so you may want to rent a bed. Your NPC spawning mods are the culprits if that works. Skyrim Immersive Creatures dose it in my game. When it happens outside just walk the other way.

 

Sometimes using the console command coc is the only way out. I usually use coc riverwood.

 

Shouldn't have deleted your saves. These things have a way of working themselves out in the end. They have always worked out for me.

 

Later

[JWMcQuire]

This may or may not fix your issue but besides the other suggestions, I noticed that you have Wyrmstooth.esp before Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp. The patch should immediately follow the DLCs then all other mods added in whatever order their authors, Loot or Boss suggest is best.

 

Here is a quote from the Wyrmstooth Readme which you can access through a clickable link from the Wyrmstooth Description page.

 

"Always make sure Wyrmstooth is loaded AFTER the official DLC and unofficial patches." Also from the readme, "When in doubt, load it as the last master file in your load list." I need to add though that if you do use Wrye Bash as suggested, make sure your bashed patch is very last in your load order.

 

Also, if Loot sorted Wyrmstooth before the patch, edit the metadata in Loot to force it to sort Wyrmstooth after the patch.

 

Finally I agree with jones177. Even with all the other suggestions, you still probably need to install the SKSE memory patch to get through the door.

 

Good luck, I hope you get this issue resolved.

Edited April 26, 2016 by JWMcQuire

[Bboy207]

i tried restarting and installing the memory patch but only forums came up expect this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/51038/? so I downloaded it which i feel like didn't help much. now i am still crashing on this new character, but only when i go near areas containing a town/city for example i am trying to get to the city of north guard past half-moon mill and i am fine around the mill and the nearby forest, but once i get to the edge of the town i crash. i am really frustrated, but i do not want to give up yet.

 

Ps: I did change my load order so the unofficial patch is before wyrmstooth

Edited April 27, 2016 by Bboy207

[JWMcQuire]

Ok, so Skyrim starts, is playable until you get to certain areas, then you crash.

 

While you already are doing this, I suggest you make sure you start Skyrim using the SKSE launcher.

 

Try this, go to your "SKSE" folder in your Skyrim/Data folder and open the Skse.ini file. Delete or change the following line.

 

Delete this,

 

[Display]

ITintTextureResolution=2048

 

or lower the number to 1024 or 768 to see if that helps.

 

Remember the prettier you make your game using graphics edits and environmental mods, the harder the game is on your computer's resources dropping your fps and causing other potential issues like you're experiencing.

 

In case these suggestions don't help, try the following.

 

You will want to download Wrye Bash, install it and create a bashed patch which will merge mods that will play better together when merged and perform other improvements which may help.

 

You can find it here at: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/1840/?

 

You'll want to download the 306 installer. It is a standalone executable that will install Wrye Bash for you. Only two minor league virus checkers on virus total flagged it but it is absolutely safe to use.

 

Before or after installing Wrye Bash, take the time to read up on how to use it, but in short your main concern is to find the bashed patch it creates, right click on and choose "Rebuild Patch". Then let it go to work, any mods it wants to merge will have to be disabled, so let it do that when it asks. To familiarize yourself with it before letting it finish is to look through the list of changes it makes. When it is finished, just tick the box next to the newly rebuilt patch to enable it, run Loot to resort your load order and see if that fixes your issue.

 

For better information on modding, I suggest gromulos' "Beginner's guide to modding" which is located at, http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2235394-beginners-guide-to-modding/. Even though it states that it is for beginners, I think it would be very helpful as gromulos lays out the best way I believe to mod your game.

 

Now if you try all these suggestions, with no success, then I can only suggest starting a modless game only activating the dlcs and unofficial patch.

 

Then after finishing Helgen begin installing your mods one by one making a new (not quick) save before each install until you find the mod that causes the crashing. This is usually the best and most helpful suggestion for many computer issues almost from day 1, but I have found in gaming that other methods should be used first with this being last resort before complete removal and reinsall of the game or program having problems.

 

Finally, if at all possible with such a heavily modded game (and even less modded) try to avoid using quicksave except before encounters that you may want do a quick reload on when things start going south, then delete the quicksave until the next time you need it. Also disable Autosave and get into the practice of only doing manual saves. Skyrim doesn't appear to handle auto and quick saves well which can cause save bloat which intern can cause other issues.

 

Anyway, sorry for the long long long post. I hope some of this helps. I think this is the best I can offer for help and hope someone with more knowledge and experience can take ti from here if you try all the suggestions I posted without success.

 

Good luck. :smile:

Edited April 27, 2016 by JWMcQuire

[JWMcQuire]

... one more thing.....

 

Go through the descriptions and posts of the mods you use to see if anyone has posted crash related issues with any of the mods you use. This probably should have been your first step.

 

Good luck. :)

[laiilaiiheii]

So you added 170 mods without any testing in between? Can be a great number of things.

I hope it's one of the easier solutions like setting skse up. If there is a mod that makes these crashes it'l be hard to find out which one.

 

Also do more research before installing mods.

I can see a couple of mods that will mess up your game after a long play session. And you can't just uninstall them on your play-trough then!

 

One of the mods you should avoid is deadly combat.. To name just one among others you use that are confirmed to mess up your game by a great deal of users, on many forums, sometimes even described on the front page + not even supported anymore.

 

You don't use wrye bash you say. That's another thing where you fall short, since you can merge files, ghost esps and tweak ingame settings like alarm distance and timescale with it.

Some mods like Legacy of the dragonborn even insist to rebuild a bash patch after it.

 

Seriously. Do your research :smile:

Edited April 27, 2016 by laiilaiiheii