Questions about Official Mods now that the Creation Kit is in Open Beta.

[matzman666]

Theoretically, there may be a way to install NSFW mods on consoles. Register an account at bethesda.net, upload whatever NSFW mod you want on your console (and don't make it obvious from mod description and pics what the mod is about) and set it to private, finally download the mod onto your console. Why do I think that could work? I suspect that Bethesda will not pro-actively check your mods (and when they do they will probably only have a quick glance), but mostly rely on users reporting inappropriate mods. And when the mod is set to private, noone can report it.

[JTL2]

Theoretically, there may be a way to install NSFW mods on consoles. Register an account at bethesda.net, upload whatever NSFW mod you want on your console (and don't make it obvious from mod description and pics what the mod is about) and set it to private, finally download the mod onto your console. Why do I think that could work? I suspect that Bethesda will not pro-actively check your mods (and when they do they will probably only have a quick glance), but mostly rely on users reporting inappropriate mods. And when the mod is set to private, noone can report it.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if people use other sites to share those mods, or by getting your XB1/PS4 username and sharing that mod with you. Ever since the dawn of time, it's always been NSFW stuff that drives technology. Bluray one the HD wars all because the porn industry backed Sony over MS/Toshiba. What a world we live in...

[EmissaryOfWind]

 

Theoretically, there may be a way to install NSFW mods on consoles. Register an account at bethesda.net, upload whatever NSFW mod you want on your console (and don't make it obvious from mod description and pics what the mod is about) and set it to private, finally download the mod onto your console. Why do I think that could work? I suspect that Bethesda will not pro-actively check your mods (and when they do they will probably only have a quick glance), but mostly rely on users reporting inappropriate mods. And when the mod is set to private, noone can report it.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if people use other sites to share those mods, or by getting your XB1/PS4 username and sharing that mod with you. Ever since the dawn of time, it's always been NSFW stuff that drives technology. Bluray one the HD wars all because the porn industry backed Sony over MS/Toshiba. What a world we live in...

 

 

That was also the reason VHS won over the superior Betamax way back when, and it'll happen again. A corollary of rule 63 should be that anything you can make, someone will put porn on it.

[RustyXXL]

And we all know that porn is worse than decapitated heads, and supermutants cooking humans over open fires with the intend to eat them...

[JTL2]

GetFuzzy040227 by JTL2.net, on Flickr

 

 

[Aeradom]

 

 

You know, I didn't think of that of that, but yeah we're probably going to be very limited on what mods can be put up or not based on the limitation of not being able utilize such things as F4SE. Now as to your issues with putting mods up for the consoles, I suspect there will be some financial incentive to draw in modders to deal with those hastles. However, I do think your concerns can be minimized, if not removed completely by allowing your mods to be tested on the PC before releasing to Consoles in a more or less bug free version, AND that's assuming that Bethesda won't be using a tool to sort the load order of mods on their end. Now as for the interface, I'm with you but it is beta so it could be tweaked. We'll see though how much Bethesda is going to want this to work on Consoles as they can't risk using the same hands off approach they attempted with the PC last year.

 

Adding financial incentive, would ofc change things quite drastically, but on the front of loadorder management tools etc I don't put to much trust in Bethesda. Sure, they improved things, but 2 mods adding stuff to the same levelled list means either 1 of them needs to have a merged patch (that might have to be maintained and updated) or some stuff from the losing conflicting stuff will simply not be available, without tools like xEdit or Wrye Bash at least offering automatic patches. (Which are better than nothing, and the respective authors did great jobs, but even them aren't really perfect at resolving every possible issue.)

So, yeah, my point stands, console modding just has to many issues that bethesda hasn't even started to adress, and to me it really seems they simply don't care.

 

 

The way I see it, this attempt to bring mods to the consoles will go one of two ways and both depend on how serious Bethesda is about wanting to make this work. Option 1 is they learned from the mistakes of the failed steam implementation and work proactively to screen mods for stability issues and the like, and have a system intuitive enough to tell the individuals things like "Hey, you can't have this man mods installed, your console sucks too much" or "this mod potentially conflicts with this other one (based on tags or categories). If they do this, then while I do agree there will still be issues to crop up, but there more of the issues you see all the time on the Nexus such as "Your mod broke my game, how do I fix!?!?" Then there is option 2 where they learn nothing from the failed Steam system and just copy and paste steam workshop onto the consoles... which will die in a horrible and quick death. I prefer to think option 1 is more likely as they seem pretty comfortable making Horse Armor DLC joke, and I think if you're that aware of the times you've messed up, you might work harder to make sure that doesn't happened. We'll find out soon I suppose.

 

 

And we all know that porn is worse than decapitated heads, and supermutants cooking humans over open fires with the intend to eat them...

 

 

GetFuzzy040227 by JTL2.net, on Flickr

 

 

 

Let me play Devil's Advocate, mainly because I hate in a thread like this where everyone agrees on something. At this point the vast majority of people have seen such levels of violence that they are desensitized to fictional representation of such where as you don't see that sort of stuff in your topic PG-13 movie. It's because of this that the level of violence that you all are speaking elicits very little reaction. However, as nudity isn't seen as often in the mainstream, it's going to have an effect on people more so. And I do wonder if for kids, like sub-5 or 6, should be exposed to that so early.

[EmissaryOfWind]

Well, kids below 6 have no business being exposed to Fallout as a whole...

[jacobjub]

I think that a major issue is gonna be console players downloading peoples mods off of nexus and uploading it to beth without the authors consent. I wonder how beth is gonna handle that.

[RustyXXL]

The way I see it, this attempt to bring mods to the consoles will go one of two ways and both depend on how serious Bethesda is about wanting to make this work. Option 1 is they learned from the mistakes of the failed steam implementation and work proactively to screen mods for stability issues and the like, and have a system intuitive enough to tell the individuals things like "Hey, you can't have this man mods installed, your console sucks too much" or "this mod potentially conflicts with this other one (based on tags or categories). If they do this, then while I do agree there will still be issues to crop up, but there more of the issues you see all the time on the Nexus such as "Your mod broke my game, how do I fix!?!?" Then there is option 2 where they learn nothing from the failed Steam system and just copy and paste steam workshop onto the consoles... which will die in a horrible and quick death. I prefer to think option 1 is more likely as they seem pretty comfortable making Horse Armor DLC joke, and I think if you're that aware of the times you've messed up, you might work harder to make sure that doesn't happened. We'll find out soon I suppose.

Well, I treat it as a "fear for the worst, and hope for the best" kinda thing, and some of the things I see atm, show that there are still some issues on the creation kit side, on the bethesda.net side, and in general, that would need to be adressed. I also think that a lot of things could be done to the data file format to improve and aleviate a lot of the current compatibility issues. However I do also see, that bethesda is putting in some amount of effort to make things better, and I do appreciate their efforts, I just think there should be happening a lot more (on both bethesdas and some modders side) that would be neccessary, before modding on a limited platform like consoles is a viable and halfway comparable thing.

 

Let me play Devil's Advocate, mainly because I hate in a thread like this where everyone agrees on something. At this point the vast majority of people have seen such levels of violence that they are desensitized to fictional representation of such where as you don't see that sort of stuff in your topic PG-13 movie. It's because of this that the level of violence that you all are speaking elicits very little reaction. However, as nudity isn't seen as often in the mainstream, it's going to have an effect on people more so. And I do wonder if for kids, like sub-5 or 6, should be exposed to that so early.

First off, I'm german, and I live in germany, and things are structured and regulated different in many regards here. Nudity, while not being promoted isn't really frowned upon nearly as much, as far as I can tell. It is legal to show some form of nudity even in mainstream tv here for example, as long as it isn't to explicit (ie. the erect penis or the Vagina), still it is regulated by age restrictions (and recommendations) which can be overruled by the parents. It's mainly to prevent third parties to show kids things that the parent don't agree on, rather than to prevent parents showing their kids things they find okay.

As a parent of an 8 (almost 9) yo son, I still wouldn't show my son neither nudity nor violent things at his current age, and I certainly wouldn't let him watch me play FO4, nor would I let him play it without me. I am carefully trying to watch what my son consumes, not to prohibit him from consuming certain things, but to protect him from stuff he probably would have large problems understanding at his age. I take this responsibility very seriously. But at the same time I would have much less problems with him seeing a naked man or woman, than him seeing violence. And after all, he knows the differences in the body between man and women. He has seen both his mother and me naked, and ofc himself. So it's not so much hiding something from him, as more preventing an "overexposure" of nudity, with the goal to show him that nudity isn't a bad or unnatural thing, that it just has places to be in, and other places where it doesn't belong (in regards to the real world).

My main issue in regards to videogames for adults, like Fallout 4, that have topics like extreme violence, slavery, cannibalism etc. with nudity being not shown is, that I simply feel censored. Its not that I need nudity, or find it sexually arousing in this context, but the lack of it feels unnatural and censored to me. In a world like FO4 there should realisticly be a whole lot of rape, sexual abuse in both directions, both women and men trying to use their attractiveness to their advantage etc. being going on. Not that I condone any of them, it's just very strange to me, if I want to take this world serious, that it doesn't happen.

 

Well, rambled enough...sorry for that, had that on my chest for a while. :P

[Aeradom]

 

Well, I treat it as a "fear for the worst, and hope for the best" kinda thing, and some of the things I see atm, show that there are still some issues on the creation kit side, on the bethesda.net side, and in general, that would need to be adressed. I also think that a lot of things could be done to the data file format to improve and aleviate a lot of the current compatibility issues. However I do also see, that bethesda is putting in some amount of effort to make things better, and I do appreciate their efforts, I just think there should be happening a lot more (on both bethesdas and some modders side) that would be neccessary, before modding on a limited platform like consoles is a viable and halfway comparable thing.

 

 

First off, I'm german, and I live in germany, and things are structured and regulated different in many regards here. Nudity, while not being promoted isn't really frowned upon nearly as much, as far as I can tell. It is legal to show some form of nudity even in mainstream tv here for example, as long as it isn't to explicit (ie. the erect penis or the Vagina), still it is regulated by age restrictions (and recommendations) which can be overruled by the parents. It's mainly to prevent third parties to show kids things that the parent don't agree on, rather than to prevent parents showing their kids things they find okay.

 

 

As a parent of an 8 (almost 9) yo son, I still wouldn't show my son neither nudity nor violent things at his current age, and I certainly wouldn't let him watch me play FO4, nor would I let him play it without me. I am carefully trying to watch what my son consumes, not to prohibit him from consuming certain things, but to protect him from stuff he probably would have large problems understanding at his age. I take this responsibility very seriously. But at the same time I would have much less problems with him seeing a naked man or woman, than him seeing violence. And after all, he knows the differences in the body between man and women. He has seen both his mother and me naked, and ofc himself. So it's not so much hiding something from him, as more preventing an "overexposure" of nudity, with the goal to show him that nudity isn't a bad or unnatural thing, that it just has places to be in, and other places where it doesn't belong (in regards to the real world).

My main issue in regards to videogames for adults, like Fallout 4, that have topics like extreme violence, slavery, cannibalism etc. with nudity being not shown is, that I simply feel censored. Its not that I need nudity, or find it sexually arousing in this context, but the lack of it feels unnatural and censored to me. In a world like FO4 there should realisticly be a whole lot of rape, sexual abuse in both directions, both women and men trying to use their attractiveness to their advantage etc. being going on. Not that I condone any of them, it's just very strange to me, if I want to take this world serious, that it doesn't happen.

 

Well, rambled enough...sorry for that, had that on my chest for a while. :tongue:

 

 

The realist in me tells me your right. I mean, modding on a console is akin to trying to navigate a minefield blindfolded with a tiger chasing you. Chances are more likely things are going to blow up in your face. The way I see it, I want people to know that PRIOR to the system came out that I was for paid modding. That way, when the system ends up falling on it's face, I'm not being attacked by those who support paid mods like I'm against it, just because I want this system to go away.

 

And no need to apologize, everyone's gotta vent and you weren't rude in the process. Though I will say that Germany is a much more... let's go liberal society, cause I can't think of another time. Religion just doesn't play as big a role in Europe as it does in the US. And if we're being honest,the only reason that Nudity is so tightly regulated, is because of religious folks having a very puritan attitude towards the male and female body.