Survival Mode Bug - Game Freezes During VATS Mode

[jdkzombie]

My previous saves have never encountered this bug.

 

My current Survival and heavily modded for combat and immersion save however, is plagued by this bug. So much that I rarely ever use VATS anymore unless its an emergency. I use bullet time, and use a head piece that gives me thermal optics so my enemies glow a bright red so Im like the terminator.....well....in vision anyways.

 

No idea what causes this either, as some occasions its within minutes of game startup and other times it is not until at least an hour or two into a game.

[plectrius]

After hundreds of hours of observing the circumstances leading to vats freezes I think I've identified the source of this bug, It comes from debuffs of survival mode, mainly hunger debuffs (it's the one I noticed don't know for the others though). When the debuff happens when entering vats it causes the game to freeze, as long as you're lucky enough to not have debuffs happens when you activate vats you'll be freeze free (for me at least). That could explain why this happens only on survival mode and with such variable frequencies. One could try to deactivate hunger/thirst/sleep debuffs to test this out...

[Barbara917]

After hundreds of hours of observing the circumstances leading to vats freezes I think I've identified the source of this bug, It comes from debuffs of survival mode, mainly hunger debuffs (it's the one I noticed don't know for the others though). When the debuff happens when entering vats it causes the game to freeze, as long as you're lucky enough to not have debuffs happens when you activate vats you'll be freeze free (for me at least). That could explain why this happens only on survival mode and with such variable frequencies. One could try to deactivate hunger/thirst/sleep debuffs to test this out...

 

Not sure I understand what a debuff is. I watch these threads because this bug is still plaguing me. Hoping I will see something new on this issue. I have also been watching some youtube gameplay done by Many a True Nerd. His character builds rely heavily on VATS and I cannot understand how he can do what he does without being affected by this bug but he has never mentioned it in any of his commentary. So I am wondering if there is some magic system settings that can prevent this from happening for some who play without experiencing this bug.

[stihspid]

Yeah, I don't know about all that. It won't do it anymore if the slow motion effect of VATS & VATS cameras is changed. As an example there is a spell I think that slows time & VATS uses that, along with camera settings that mod how time passes. But basically back around FO4 launch I noticed it could be more or less dramatic by setting different times, 4% to 5% instead, 4% to 25% instead, or mods that change the VATS cameras, and there used to be a mod that would FOMOD the whole thing between in & out of combat. The point being that modifying this gets rid of the VATS freeze bug even when you are switching weapons rapidly. There's a few ways to mod VATS time though, I don't specifically remember which one, but I think it would be that spell or the choices in slow motion between the VATS target selection slow motion & subsequent VATS cameras. Now the bug occurs during target selection, and I'll load it up and look just to see which I think, but eh, I can't remember. ... ... ...

 

fVATSTimeMultTargetSelect 0.010000

 

I guess, Though 0.250000 was pretty cool back last year. The 1% just came from the drug Slo Mo in the movie Dredd I think, saw it back then, but it's 0.040000 or 4% in Vanilla, speeding it up or slowing it down has a more dramatic effect depending on preference.

 

fVATSPlayerMagicTimeSlowdownMult 0.500000

 

Also being used, but I don't remember where it came from. Changed from the Vanilla 0.600000 & the other part was about 20 or so Camera Shots, and this would come from VATS mods dealing with slow motion time change, which have options & I don't remember them, but you would want to check to see that whatever it is also had the fVATSTimeMultTargetSelect which is a game setting, so you could probably console it in & test it without the .esp or other parts, specifically for the VATS freeze bug. I mean it was doing it, and we changed that & it stopped, but part of the change was because it just looks better, works better.

[mrlemon88]

after months of working this issue, i am 99% sure the problem is with hunger thirst or fatigue changing statuses while in vats. The solution to this is to download 2 mods. The first is called survival options, and will allow you to disable hunger thirst and sleep. The second mod is called surviving the wasteland, and adds these 3 things back in in its own way. After doing this, I have had zero freezes in vats. Please try this, im pretty sure it will work. Credit to pectrius for finding this initially. If this works for you, please spread it around reddit and such.

Edited March 23, 2017 by mrlemon88

[malakengago]

Thanks @mrlemon88 and @plectrius. This bug had been really annoying me since Survival first came out. I actually use the mod Customizable needs and Realistic Aid Side Effects, and the most recent version allows disabling sleep completely and turning off time's effect on hunger and thirst, along with fixing how all healing items seem to be very bad for you now. Since the mod allowed you to change the time frame between needing to sleep, eat and drink, I had actually started experiencing the bug less, until earlier today when I got lucky/unlucky. I had just saved (I use FO4Hotkeys to save) and was walking along and spotted some radstag to kill. I entered VATS, and immediately froze. After finding this thread, I loaded the game up again and walked to the same location, but instead of fighting right away, I waited a bit and immediately became parched at the time I would have originally entered VATS. Obviously I haven't tested this thoroughly, but from my own experiences dealing with this bug, what I found in game today, and this thread, I am confident I shouldn't have to worry any more about my game freezing, at least due to this problem. Still gonna be saving a lot though.

[WHITELION1284]

Just stumbled upon this thread while looking for a solution. VATS freezes the game fairly regularly. To the point where it's a very risky proposition when in survival mode. (Which has a B/S save system from start to finish and a cheap way to artificially increase difficulty. Note: they never work on their AI. I present the Big Dig as evidence. Okay /rant) But no, it's not just your old rig.

 

My specs

 

Haswell i5 4690k @ 4.2 ghz on an ASUS MB

16gb Ripjaw RAM

Nvidia 980 ti

etc.

[Kreyd]

Well i have the VATS freeze in survival, fml.

 

Can't believe there is no fix yet, since the issue seem's to have been founded from the survival needs debuff.

 

The solution to remove with a mods all needs really destroy the whole survival point -_-

Edited June 26, 2017 by Kreyd

[Haukaido]

I have also started experiencing this bug while playing on survival mod and the only way to leave the gam isby opening task manager..

I'd like to point out that
1- I'm never hungry
2- I'm never thirsty
3- I'm never sick
4- I'm never tired
(because I always make sure to sleep while I fast travel to the institute and always walk around packed with food and antibiotics)

Also , this this is really strange but I've been playing on survival mode for almost 100 hours now and only today did I start experiencing this (at level 92)
It's also today that I decided to play the already installed automatron dlc..so maybe it has something to do with this issue? I've played nuka world at lvl 80 and I didn't experience any issue (in case other people suspect it's dlc related problem)

Edited August 11, 2017 by MrPandaz

[MissingMeshTV]

I started having VATS freezes on a lvl 52 survival character last weekend after having used VATS extensively prior with no issues.

 

Less than 30 seconds of Googleing pointed me to this post on the Steam forums that seems to have resolved it for me:

 

https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/135514649163438936/?ctp=2#c2217311444330717281

 

After adding the described entry to my .ini with a value of 4 (for my quad-core processor) I've had zero VATS freezes after at least another 6-7 hours of game time. YMMV, and I make no claims it will help you but it might be worth testing.