Love

[Aurielius]

@Marharth

Whether or not you understand love, find it or even come to terms with the concept is of complete indifference to me. though several posters (including myself) have in good faith tried to explain the basics to you, as usual you take an obstinate contrary position. I am willing to bet that your view makes you an extremely popular prospect with the ladies (snickers) but I for one would like to thank you for eliminating yourself from the gene pool. I wish you a long and happy relationship with your computer. Since this debate is Marharth versus the world ( as usual) I'm out of here.:facepalm:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[marharth]

@Marharth

Whether or not you understand love, find it or even come to terms with the concept is of complete indifference to me. though several posters (including myself) have in good faith tried to explain the basics to you, as usual you take an obstinate contrary position. I am willing to bet that your view makes you an extremely popular prospect with the ladies (snickers) but I for one would like to thank you for eliminating yourself from the gene pool. I wish you a long and happy relationship with your computer. Since this debate is Marharth versus the world ( as usual) I'm out of here.:facepalm:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice argument you got there.

[kvnchrist]

@Marharth

Whether or not you understand love, find it or even come to terms with the concept is of complete indifference to me. though several posters (including myself) have in good faith tried to explain the basics to you, as usual you take an obstinate contrary position. I am willing to bet that your view makes you an extremely popular prospect with the ladies (snickers) but I for one would like to thank you for eliminating yourself from the gene pool. I wish you a long and happy relationship with your computer. Since this debate is Marharth versus the world ( as usual) I'm out of here.:facepalm:

 

 

I foresee a lot of long lonely nights polishing the ole beaker, myself!

[marharth]

Aren't you guys mature :rolleyes:

[kvnchrist]

Stands to reason dude. Sorry that's just life Doesn't have anything to do with intellectual prowess or maturity. You came at a lady with your attitude, she better be Egon Spengler's daughter.

[marharth]

So your assuming every women in the world doesn't recognize logic and science?

 

Besides love is still a emotion that people feel, that doesn't mean that I don't feel it as well. I simply don't believe that it can not be explained by science, and I don't think that has any effect on romance.

 

The logic your trying to use is humorous.

[Keanumoreira]

Love is not a biological emotion. Why? Take this into consideration: according to the scientifical "love", love only exists because of two main chemicals in the brain. Serotonin and Norephinephrine. When aroused, these two chemical reactions trigger what we know as a state of love.

 

Now...for the real definition.

 

Love is not a formula, love is not a chemical reaction, and love is by no means within the realm of logic. Can you physically hear, smell, see, taste, or touch love? No, you cannot, and therefore, you can't prove that it is real but we all know that it exists because at some point in our lives, we have or will feel it. Love as a universal emotion is just that...it's universal. If it were trully explainable by adding 2+2, then where is the huge number explaining why it is that love is so strong that it propells us in directions on a scale more grand than even that of hate itself? If this really was a biological emotion, then why does it have us chasing our tails and leaping waterfalls to find a definite truth? That isn't natural, because in nature's eye, we only live to breathe, reproduce, and die, and the wheel continues to spin. What does it have to do with humanities continued existance to find whatever it is this love is when we can just meet up at point A, do this thing, and walk away to point B, or in the universal case, why even care at all? You're still here right?

 

The point is, there is so much more to it than you are letting on Marharth. These are things that you and I can never explain, that Albert Einstein or Steven Hawking, both minds combined, couldn't even put on a chalkboard or piece of paper. It is simply...just....there. It exists because we let it and because there is something else there that is driving us to explore. If you ask me, that sure as hell isn't natural. :)

Love has to do with a more chemicals then two. A number of chemicals that have to do with love...

Serotonin

Oxytocin

Vasopressin

Pheromone (if you consider that a single chemical)

Dopamine

Norepinephrine

 

I can't physically hear, smell, or touch hate either. We know both exist since we feel the effects of them.

 

Just because something propels you to do something does not mean it can not be explained.

 

If it can not be explained by science then it would be considered paranormal, and I still don't see any convincing arguments. If you want to consider it a topic of philosophy, why? Maybe you are all right, but I really don't see where your coming from. If someone could try to fully explain why its a topic of philosophy, and not a topic of science like every other emotion, I would be more willing to change my position.

 

1. Notice that I said love exists, according to science but not by me, because of two MAIN chemicals in the brain.

 

2. You're missing the point in this statement. It was meant to make you think that because love drives you to such drastics, it is therefore more than something you can explain to a college student in formulas and conclusions. If you can explain to me why love pushs humanity to its limits, but hate and sadness don't to an equal degree, then I'd love to pull up a chair and listen to what you have to say.

 

3. I didn't say it was paranormal, I said it was universal. If you want to add paranormal in there, then so be it.

[marharth]

Love is not a biological emotion. Why? Take this into consideration: according to the scientifical "love", love only exists because of two main chemicals in the brain. Serotonin and Norephinephrine. When aroused, these two chemical reactions trigger what we know as a state of love.

 

Now...for the real definition.

 

Love is not a formula, love is not a chemical reaction, and love is by no means within the realm of logic. Can you physically hear, smell, see, taste, or touch love? No, you cannot, and therefore, you can't prove that it is real but we all know that it exists because at some point in our lives, we have or will feel it. Love as a universal emotion is just that...it's universal. If it were trully explainable by adding 2+2, then where is the huge number explaining why it is that love is so strong that it propells us in directions on a scale more grand than even that of hate itself? If this really was a biological emotion, then why does it have us chasing our tails and leaping waterfalls to find a definite truth? That isn't natural, because in nature's eye, we only live to breathe, reproduce, and die, and the wheel continues to spin. What does it have to do with humanities continued existance to find whatever it is this love is when we can just meet up at point A, do this thing, and walk away to point B, or in the universal case, why even care at all? You're still here right?

 

The point is, there is so much more to it than you are letting on Marharth. These are things that you and I can never explain, that Albert Einstein or Steven Hawking, both minds combined, couldn't even put on a chalkboard or piece of paper. It is simply...just....there. It exists because we let it and because there is something else there that is driving us to explore. If you ask me, that sure as hell isn't natural. :)

Love has to do with a more chemicals then two. A number of chemicals that have to do with love...

Serotonin

Oxytocin

Vasopressin

Pheromone (if you consider that a single chemical)

Dopamine

Norepinephrine

 

I can't physically hear, smell, or touch hate either. We know both exist since we feel the effects of them.

 

Just because something propels you to do something does not mean it can not be explained.

 

If it can not be explained by science then it would be considered paranormal, and I still don't see any convincing arguments. If you want to consider it a topic of philosophy, why? Maybe you are all right, but I really don't see where your coming from. If someone could try to fully explain why its a topic of philosophy, and not a topic of science like every other emotion, I would be more willing to change my position.

 

1. Notice that I said love exists, according to science but not by me, because of two MAIN chemicals in the brain.

 

2. You're missing the point in this statement. It was meant to make you think that because love drives you to such drastics, it is therefore more than something you can explain to a college student in formulas and conclusions. If you can explain to me why love pushs humanity to its limits, but hate and sadness don't to an equal degree, then I'd love to pull up a chair and listen to what you have to say.

 

3. I didn't say it was paranormal, I said it was universal. If you want to add paranormal in there, then so be it.

1. Fair enough.

 

2. Humans do not need hate and sadness to survive.

 

3. If it can't be explained by science, it is paranormal.

[Sync182]

3. If it can't be explained by science, it is paranormal.

 

Wildly off-topic for a moment:

 

Black Holes. They cannot be fully explained by science, because we don't have the technology to explore, define and explain them. Are they paranormal, now? We know they exist...

 

Now, worming my way back on-topic:

 

Marharth...I strongly recommend you give up this topic before you find the rest of the community shunning you for your apparent inability to recognise and accept that not everything in this universe HAS to be explained scentifically.

 

Emotions and the Human Soul are things that exist. They cannot be fully explained with science. Are they paranormal? The Human Consciousness. It cannot be fully explained with science. Is it something from the paranormal realm? Human Memory and how we recall things. We know what part of the brain is responsible for memory, but not the process by which memories are stored, nor the process by which memories are retrieved...does that make memory paranormal?

 

There is more to existence than science and logic. The behaviour of children is proof of that.

 

To that end, I offer you these quotes from Star Trek:

Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end. -- Spock (Star Trek VI)

 

Commander Spock: V'Ger must evolve. Its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve. What it requires of its god, doctor, is the answer to its question, "Is there nothing more"?

Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.: What more is there than the universe, Spock?

Commander Willard Decker: Other dimensions. Higher levels of being.

Commander Spock: The existence of which cannot be proven logically. Therefore, V'Ger is incapable of believing in them.

Captain James T. Kirk: What it needs in order to evolve... is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.

Commander Willard Decker: And joining with its creator might accomplish that.

Commander Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, M.D.: You mean this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?

Commander Willard Decker: Let's find out. -- Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Edited July 31, 2011 by Sync182

[kvnchrist]

So your assuming every women in the world doesn't recognize logic and science?

 

Besides love is still a emotion that people feel, that doesn't mean that I don't feel it as well. I simply don't believe that it can not be explained by science, and I don't think that has any effect on romance.

 

The logic your trying to use is humorous.

I don't use logic. I use experience which trumps logic every time. especially when dealing with the fairer sex.