marharth Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Okay, mandatory art classes are pretty bad in that aspect. However, the ones that you can actually opt into signing up for are very good for allowing you creativity in your works, at least where I am.I am not sure optional classes would be much different, which I why I am reluctant to agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ub3rman123 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Okay, mandatory art classes are pretty bad in that aspect. However, the ones that you can actually opt into signing up for are very good for allowing you creativity in your works, at least where I am.I am not sure optional classes would be much different, which I why I am reluctant to agree with them. Unfortunately, schools are different all across the country, so your art/music classes are likely completely different from the ones I take. Different standards, teachers, environments, etc. It's difficult to draw a generalization with such difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraane Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Okay, mandatory art classes are pretty bad in that aspect. However, the ones that you can actually opt into signing up for are very good for allowing you creativity in your works, at least where I am.I am not sure optional classes would be much different, which I why I am reluctant to agree with them. Unfortunately, schools are different all across the country, so your art/music classes are likely completely different from the ones I take. Different standards, teachers, environments, etc. It's difficult to draw a generalization with such difference. Very true. I think that music/art classes done right are one of the few classes that CAN teach a student how to think for themselves. They also help you discover your talents... and kept my gpa high roll lol! I learned how to breathe correctly from my HS music teacher, he also singled me out and suggested that I take voice lessons (I had perfect pitch, an extremely wide range but a soft singing voice) It's thanks to him that I sometimes sing at weddings and won 200 last month at a Kareoke competition lol. I would say I really learned to debate and think in HS - namely in the headmasters senior theology/philosophy class. My. Favorite. Class. Ever. I don't think I learned from my parents... they never change or challenge their ideas. I think that questioning your own ideals every now and again is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veugaroth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 There is only one video that comes to my mind reading this thread George Carlin on education (Life Is Worth Losing - HBO - 2004). NOTE: I'm not american and I can tell you this isn't a problem in USA only. We are basically on the same boat, to me it just looks like USA got the shortest straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealus Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) Hm... I thought you US guys have good education, 'cause Russian Education is currently is in bad condition. Only old-school teachers is keeping education quality now. And before leaving school, everyone have to pass the half-test exams - Russian and Maths and other, which you may choose freely They commonly have following structure: 'A' part - a test, questions with 4 answers. Only one is right. There's no 'A' in maths. 'B' part - more complex task, you should write answer yourself. 'C' part - something really serious, you have to solve it yourself fully. This is REALLY bad system, because I got: 87 (out of 100) -- math 72 - russian 65 - physics. ...I studied physics all free time during 2011... my russian is nearly perfect. Math's only OK result I've got. Every institute wants you to have sum of points > than X if you want to enter it. And there's only some top institutes which kept real education -- MIPT, for example I haven't got enough points, sadly, so I'm going to study there on paid contract. If I'll not get any 3-s (5 is highest mark) during a year, I'll be moved on budget education PS- I'm sorry of my weird English. Edited August 12, 2011 by Nealus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Sorry about your marks... But, it could be worse. Students in many Asian countries take tests with similar scoring, except that about 1/2 of it is in English, and almost all English teaching in those countries is abysmal at best. Half of it is having certain expectations of education for a global society, but most of those expectations aren't realistic. The other is that the models of teaching that most teachers were trained in simply cannot cope with the demands of the coursework and don't reflect the way that people actually learn. But, these strict systems are technically better than the American system. In America, children these days don't graduate from highschool so much as they are pushed out from it. There is a sort of "failure isn't an option, or even a possibility" in some sections of the country. It is shocking when you see a collage age student who just barely has a reading level above that of a 6th grader... In his first (and only language usually). It happens because the school system has taken on a sort of conveyor belt model where you're moved up even if you're a poor student simply because keeping you back would hurt your self confidence and get you made fun of. Although, yes, it means that most can go on to higher education, but higher education often ends up being at about the level of highschool education to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraane Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Well, it really depends on where you live. If you live in a good neighborhood, odds are you will go to an OK school, if you live in a bad neighborhood, you're screwed. If they would just let parents choose where to send their kids... At the time I graduated, accredited private schools did not have to have their students take the exit exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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