Please tell me it isn't just me..

[Dullahan]

Would the original poster prefer a mod where women differ'd from men in facial features, but had a flat chest?

[dangle]

Would the original poster prefer a mod where women differ'd from men in facial features, but had a flat chest?

 

I'd say i think that the original poster would prefer not to mod it at all.

 

I'm not normally up in arms about the whole feminism thing like this, but i think she makes a very good point. it is very disturbing how many people are turning TES into a big adult film studio.

 

It's a good game (granted a few mods are absolutely necessary), just enjoy it for what it is.

[arcturus62]

I think this game should be played through as intended before you ever mod it. That way you experience the game for what it is. Then if you want, mess with it to see how you can change it. I played this game through on an x-box 360 where it couldn't be modded and then played it through on pc before I ever added a single mod, and all my characters wore full armor but now I wanted to experience it a different way. The mods added new life to an old game and made it new ( sort of ), for me.

[ninja_lord666]

I agree that the majority of gamers are probably men, but don't agree with the age assessment. I happen to be 45 yrs. old and all of my friends who are all avid gamers are all 30 or above.

The gaming community isn't based upon you; it's based upon all gamers, and the majority of gamers are ages 16-20. I'm not saying older gamers are unheard of; I'm saying they aren't the majority.

 

True enough, as much as I like the body mods what I don't like about them is when you mod the bodies every woman in the game has this perfect big boobed body. It would be better if there was a diverse range of body types , fat , skinny. etc. that would make it more like real life and help with the immersion of the game. :happy:

Firstly, I have to agree dangle; it totally depends upon the person. In fact, as it turns out, the 'perfect body', as per the majority, doesn't have large breasts.

Secondly, the topic of varied bodies has been discussed to death. It would not be worth the effort at all. First, each body type would require it's own race. Secondly, all clothes and armours would have to be completely re-modeled. For what? Variation?

 

 

Lastly, I'd like to point out that video games are in no way any sort of representation of modern society (except maybe historical games like Call of Duty) and should not be subjected to any sort of equality. Games are fantasy. If you want to make a game where women are object, go ahead; no one's going to stop you. You'll not get many, if any, women buyers, though. The reverse is true as well: if you want to make a game where men are nothing but slaves to women, do it. Again, you'll not get many male buyers, however. Now, of course, the ESRB (curse their black hearts) will almost definitely block anything that is that extremely sexist...

[arcturus62]

I agree that the majority of gamers are probably men, but don't agree with the age assessment. I happen to be 45 yrs. old and all of my friends who are all avid gamers are all 30 or above.

The gaming community isn't based upon you; it's based upon all gamers, and the majority of gamers are ages 16-20. I'm not saying older gamers are unheard of; I'm saying they aren't the majority.

 

True enough, as much as I like the body mods what I don't like about them is when you mod the bodies every woman in the game has this perfect big boobed body. It would be better if there was a diverse range of body types , fat , skinny. etc. that would make it more like real life and help with the immersion of the game. :happy:

Firstly, I have to agree dangle; it totally depends upon the person. In fact, as it turns out, the 'perfect body', as per the majority, doesn't have large breasts.

Secondly, the topic of varied bodies has been discussed to death. It would not be worth the effort at all. First, each body type would require it's own race. Secondly, all clothes and armours would have to be completely re-modeled. For what? Variation?

 

 

Lastly, I'd like to point out that video games are in no way any sort of representation of modern society (except maybe historical games like Call of Duty) and should not be subjected to any sort of equality. Games are fantasy. If you want to make a game where women are object, go ahead; no one's going to stop you. You'll not get many, if any, women buyers, though. The reverse is true as well: if you want to make a game where men are nothing but slaves to women, do it. Again, you'll not get many male buyers, however. Now, of course, the ESRB (curse their black hearts) will almost definitely block anything that is that extremely sexist...

Yes I do agree with you I guess the majority probably is 16 - 20 since you put it that way. I just don't like the assumption that all gamers are immature. I know that's not what you meant but alot of people have the opinon that if you're a gamer you are immature.( non gamers that is) Also perfection is a matter of opinion and mine may differ wildly from your's. So i guess in effect there is no such thing as perfection. I also know it would by next to immpossible to have that diversity in body types but what a game it would be if it was possible! Although the way technology advances who knows it eventually may be possible. :happy:

[WrathOfDeadguy]

My take, for the $0.02 it's worth:

 

- Revealing clothing items- male or female- fine by me. Hell, some characters are well suited for such items. I know I've played several characters who'd be more comfortable in a loincloth than a pair of trousers. It seems a little silly to have your hero/heroine parading through the middle of the Imperial City (or the wilderness, or Oblivion for that matter) in nothing but a g-string, but there are somewhat revealing clothing items (i.e. vanilla Huntsman outfit) that make sense on certain characters.

 

- Revealing armor- somewhat pointless. After all, armor is there to protect the wearer, not to show skin. Light armor that accentuates curves is just dandy, so long as it also looks like it would have some value (however minimal) as a means of bodily protection- I'll use the Armor of Gaia mod as an example of that. Thongs with armor values higher than a full set of glass armor I find to be a little bit silly.

 

- Body mods- so far, most of the body mods make the female characters look as if they've all got double-D implants- which is somewhat silly, considering that implants as such didn't exist IRL until the latter third of the 20th century. The only body mod that looks remotely realistic is Bab's. I use the vanilla bodies for both males and females. They may not look exactly like real bodies do, but they're close enough and they don't generate clipping issues with any of the vanilla clothing or armors.

 

Still, the advice for dealing with mods that one thinks are stupid or pointless is as old as moddable games- if you don't like it, don't use it. Nobody forces anybody to download mods they don't want. Sure, I sometimes wish some more realistic clothing/armor/body mods would come out, but the simple fact is that natural bodies, realistic clothes, and sensible armors just aren't what most of the people asking for such mods are looking for. The bubble-boobed, chainmail-bikini'd, pouty-lipped fantasy girl image isn't likely to go away any time soon, especially since said image is so deeply rooted in the B-movie tradition that is the only material in the fantasy genre most folks are familiar with. Remember always that this is a game, and a singleplayer game at that- what people do to their copy of the game is their business. Don't worry if some kid somewhere plays a female character who runs around in the nude all the time- you can rest assured that you never have to play your character in that way, nor will your character ever have to exist in a realm with other characters that do. Your in-game avatar can be as modest or as raunchy as you want him or her to be.

[dangle]

- Revealing clothing items- male or female- fine by me. Hell, some characters are well suited for such items. I know I've played several characters who'd be more comfortable in a loincloth than a pair of trousers. It seems a little silly to have your hero/heroine parading through the middle of the Imperial City (or the wilderness, or Oblivion for that matter) in nothing but a g-string, but there are somewhat revealing clothing items (i.e. vanilla Huntsman outfit) that make sense on certain characters.

 

i agree

 

- Revealing armor- somewhat pointless. After all, armor is there to protect the wearer, not to show skin. Light armor that accentuates curves is just dandy, so long as it also looks like it would have some value (however minimal) as a means of bodily protection- I'll use the Armor of Gaia mod as an example of that. Thongs with armor values higher than a full set of glass armor I find to be a little bit silly.

 

i couldn't agree more

 

- Body mods- so far, most of the body mods make the female characters look as if they've all got double-D implants- which is somewhat silly, considering that implants as such didn't exist IRL until the latter third of the 20th century. The only body mod that looks remotely realistic is Bab's. I use the vanilla bodies for both males and females. They may not look exactly like real bodies do, but they're close enough and they don't generate clipping issues with any of the vanilla clothing or armors.

 

cant argue with that logic

 

 

Still, the advice for dealing with mods that one thinks are stupid or pointless is as old as moddable games- if you don't like it, don't use it. Nobody forces anybody to download mods they don't want. Sure, I sometimes wish some more realistic clothing/armor/body mods would come out, but the simple fact is that natural bodies, realistic clothes, and sensible armors just aren't what most of the people asking for such mods are looking for. The bubble-boobed, chainmail-bikini'd, pouty-lipped fantasy girl image isn't likely to go away any time soon, especially since said image is so deeply rooted in the B-movie tradition that is the only material in the fantasy genre most folks are familiar with. Remember always that this is a game, and a singleplayer game at that- what people do to their copy of the game is their business. Don't worry if some kid somewhere plays a female character who runs around in the nude all the time- you can rest assured that you never have to play your character in that way, nor will your character ever have to exist in a realm with other characters that do. Your in-game avatar can be as modest or as raunchy as you want him or her to be.

 

again, your logic cant be faulted, i myself feel the same towards many opinions shared on various forums. But this IS a forum, a place designed for conversion on what ever topic people want to talk about. I realise you could very reasonably say exactly the same thing back to me, but i am just lucky i got in first :)

 

btw, i am very much opposed to banning content just because i dont like it, i will happily grant anyone permission (with all my lordly authority) to use any mods they may with to. It doesn't mean i have to like it

[dikr]

Human Nature rules the media and thus videogames. The OP's question is the exact same thing as discussing the average MTV clip for that matter. It's one of humanities 'peculiarities' that men are very much visually minded and have the evolutionary role to 'look around' and spread their genes. A substantial difference with the evolutionary female role. This male visual mindedness is THE big motivator behind our pretty girl mods, sexy mtv clip chicks, the saying that ' sex sells', etc. etc. This also goes for some women but the visual attraction is much more a general male thing and somehow guys play games more often, so it's pretty obvious you'll encounter 'guy' stuff between mods as well like someone else replied already. I merely attempted to explain the motivation behind it a little bit ;-)

 

P.s. I'm a guy myself here, before my avatar gives you the wrong impression.

 

P.s.s. Now I think of it: I actually retextured some body armors I downloaded to be less revealing and more protective myself :D While I still love to hop around scantily dressed with my female character occasionally, realism > a sexy look i.m.o.

[hoots7]

And please don't check me off as a chick on her period, 'cause the first one to say it gets stabbed in the mouth. In real life. And I'm not kidding. I'll come over there and bring Umbra with me, and I won't be wearing any boob-friendly armor, either. ;/

The gaming community is almost completely populated by males ages 16-20, and males ages 16-20 like women with revealing armour. There's no denying that.

 

I am completely offended by that statement, I’m over 20 & I like "women with revealing armour" too.

I’m not trying to be disrespectful but if I got to be running around talking & interacting with people I would rather be looking at the fairer sex & not some ugly dude.

Same goes with the companions I choose, all other things being equal I’d rather be looking at a beautiful women. I do agree with you, a scantly clad suit of armor couldn’t offer as much protection as a man’s, but that’s the price I’m willing to pay for good looks.

[ninja_lord666]

The gaming community is almost completely populated by males ages 16-20, and males ages 16-20 like women with revealing armour. There's no denying that.

I am completely offended by that statement, I’m over 20 & I like "women with revealing armour" too.

How? That quote has absolutely nothing to do with you. Like you said, you are over 20 years old; this quote only talks about those who ARE ages 16-20. THAT'S NOT YOU! That would be like me being offended by someone saying, "Martians are morons."