Agendas

[kvnchrist]

I was wondering just what people think of those with agendas. Are they open minded or simply trying to force their ideals down other throats? My personal beliefs are that they aren't beholding to anyone, but will reach out to those Left or right, that more closely resembles their ideals. They will use anything and anybody to further their agendas.

 

These agendas are not debatable and to the promoter it is as close to a belief system as one can get without going into a banned subject here. I think that such activity should be banned as well, since refuting a persons agenda will only spur them on and ultimately create a flame war. There is no up side to discussing these things. IMO.

[HeyYou]

Trying to force their ideas down others throats, in the belief that "My way is the right way, anything else is just wrong." Now, where have I seen that recently........:unsure:

[grannywils]

I will attempt to respond to your question as honestly as I can Kvnchrist. First of all, I am having a bit of difficulty understanding exactly what you are asking. So first I will repeat what I think you mean (and you may certainly correct me if I am wrong); and then attempt to respond to the best of my ability.

 

Firstly, I do not believe that all of the posters on The Nexus "with an "agenda" are created equally. For example, there are many of us who have political beliefs that lean either to the right or to the left. I do not really think of those people as having an "agenda". We do have a tendency to lean a certain way in many debates; but most of us on either side are capable of listening, and more importanly "hearing" what the other side has to say, and are therefore quite open minded. Unfortunally, there is a very small vocal minority on both sides who lack that particular ability and are extremely tedious.

 

Then we have some posters with "an issue". I think these are perhaps the ones to whom you refer as "having an agenda." Again, even these posters are not all created equally in my opinion. Some feel very strongly about their issue and are unlikely to be dissuaded. However, they do not as a rule seem to be attempting to cram it down our throats. They express their opinion, and then tend to more or less drop it. There are others, however, who only seem to wish to prove an unprovable point, as it is based primarily on their opinion or choice, and they do tend to get into endless debates with others who seem to enjoy the same sort of pointless vitriol. In fact I have noted that sometimes posters seem to take the other side almost just to hear themselves talk. I could certainly be wrong about this. It just seems sometimes as though they go on long after the "horse has been beaten to death"

 

 

[kvnchrist]

By agendas, I mean those that are so sure of their causes that they are unable to see the consequences of their actions. I know that many think that these are mostly left wing, like the hard core environmentalists and those on the left of PETA, but there are some that are just as blind on the right as well. Take for instance The Tea Party congress people who simply refuse to budge on any legislation other than to reduce what both parties have been engaging in for the last half century.

 

]The government has been on a spending spree for a long time. There has been little to no oversight on any of this stuff and they expect to march into office and simply cut an artery, in order to stop the flow of money. People have become addicted to government handouts and this addiction needs to be slowly closed off, not have someone pull the plug and tell everybody else to go screw themselves. They point to Greece and what's happening in England as to examples of what might happen here, yet they are trying to bring on the same situation.

 

The panic happened over there, because what was promised, could not be given. These governments I think waited to the bitter end, before throwing up their hands and saying, "It's over!" If this is in Americas future, It should slowly crank the spicket closed and do it in a manner that doesn't cause panic. Their was too much hype given to this situation, for political gamesmanship. It was more a stump speech for thee supporters on either side and concluded with the most ludicrous concoction, that government has ever created.

 

You tell me, why we pay these peoples salaries, so they can set back and chew their cuds, while a committee chosen by them can set in a smaller room and discuss what we pay the full house to do. People talk about President Obama and his committees, and they go about things in the same way.

 

Sorry for getting off topic, but this is what happens, when people with agendas are given unlimited air time. Nothing is completed and everything stalls to a halt. I know there was a recent example of this here, but this question has been simmering around in my mind, for a long time. This goes hand in hand with an older post I did on Idealism.

[Nintii]

@ Grannywils ... beware the red herring, beware the scandalon ... A scandalon is something you trip over and head first onto the rocks below.

 

@ kvnchrist .... I admire your ingenuity.

Edited September 5, 2011 by Nintii

[grannywils]

Isn't it from the Bible? And/or something to do with traps? And it looks like I'm too late....:wallbash: But thanks for the warning :thumbsup: