TheTerminator2004 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 It's true, the data integrity is much better, but I've never found a torrent which downloaded at a decent speed, EVER. I stopped using them when I discovered that UT2004 was predicted to take almost 2 days to download (It was completely legal- I already owned a copy of the software, it just didn't install on my computer- it's only illegal if you don't own a legal copy of the software.). I honestly prefer using standard http; it's faster, and data doesn't get corrupted that often anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 It was completely legal- I already owned a copy of the software, it just didn't install on my computer- it's only illegal if you don't own a legal copy of the software It's still illegal. By downloading via torrents you're uploading too. Ergo, you're helping spread illegal software, even if you own the software yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerminator2004 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Ah, but this is the thing- I hate having to upload stuff afterwards- it's a waste of good bandwidth- so I specifically told Gnutella that it's max upload speed is 0kb/s. Plus, once I start downloading a file, I disconnect from the Gnutella network- downloads , once they've started, aren't counted as Gnutella traffic, so they don't get blocked. Uploads, however do. Besides, I asked a friend whose a lawyer (still a trainee, admittedly), if it was legal, and she said yes, provided I didn't then upload afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 What you did was illegal, ask any compotent lawyer :) Similarly, more than likely the reason why you get a bad download rate is because you're limiting your upload. You're what's known as the scum that destroys the whole concept of P2P :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerminator2004 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 What you did was illegal, ask any compotent lawyer :) Well, I've done it now... I reformatted my PC days later anyway, to install Windows. Similarly, more than likely the reason why you get a bad download rate is because you're limiting your upload. You're what's known as the scum that destroys the whole concept of P2P :) Well, my internet's slow enough without using up most of my bandwidth- I don't get that much most of the time, barely enough to download the file, let alone upload it too. If I had faster internet, and I downloaded something (assuming it's legal), I'd happily upload it. Besides, the reason I get a bad download is because no-one else seeds any of the torrents I've found either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Similarly, more than likely the reason why you get a bad download rate is because you're limiting your upload. You're what's known as the scum that destroys the whole concept of P2P :) Well, my internet's slow enough without using up most of my bandwidth- I don't get that much most of the time, barely enough to download the file, let alone upload it too. If I had faster internet, and I downloaded something (assuming it's legal), I'd happily upload it. Besides, the reason I get a bad download is because no-one else seeds any of the torrents I've found either.I'll have to agree with Dark0ne on this. People like you are why torrents are often slow. Even if you have a typically slow connection, that connection has a speed for both upload and download. Increasing your upload speed won't necessarily slow your download rate any since your download rate itself is limited more by who is sending you data, not your connection. I've had torrents going (40-50 down, 20 up) while playing online games without any difficulties. It's really about learning how to configure your client around your connection and what you're currently using. This is one of the advantages of torrent clients, you can set how much of your connection you want devoted to the torrent. This means that while you're playing an online game, you can be using the excess speed to download software in the background. Whereas with standard downloading, you pretty much have to sit there twiddling your thumbs until it's done. Additionally, as mentioned, the download speed you have is determined by the number and type of peers you are connected to. If you aren't uploading anything, you aren't connecting to peers, which can slow down your rate. If you're connected to alot of other leachers, you're going to have a slow rate. Fortunately most good clients have ways to ban peers so that if you see someone who is just sitting there sucking up your upload rate, you can just stop giving them anything. Some trackers may even block you if they see you aren't uploading anything. On the otherhand, if you have connected peers or seeders which aren't giving you any data, you can ban them too and occasionally boost your download rates as other peers get connected. This method however only works well if you have a fairly large pool of peers to work with. If there's fewer than 200-300 peers, you may end up thinning out the group too much if you aren't careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerminator2004 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Similarly, more than likely the reason why you get a bad download rate is because you're limiting your upload. You're what's known as the scum that destroys the whole concept of P2P :) Well, my internet's slow enough without using up most of my bandwidth- I don't get that much most of the time, barely enough to download the file, let alone upload it too. If I had faster internet, and I downloaded something (assuming it's legal), I'd happily upload it. Besides, the reason I get a bad download is because no-one else seeds any of the torrents I've found either.I'll have to agree with Dark0ne on this. People like you are why torrents are often slow. Even if you have a typically slow connection, that connection has a speed for both upload and download. Increasing your upload speed won't necessarily slow your download rate any since your download rate itself is limited more by who is sending you data, not your connection. I've had torrents going (40-50 down, 20 up) while playing online games without any difficulties. It's really about learning how to configure your client around your connection and what you're currently using. This is one of the advantages of torrent clients, you can set how much of your connection you want devoted to the torrent. This means that while you're playing an online game, you can be using the excess speed to download software in the background. Whereas with standard downloading, you pretty much have to sit there twiddling your thumbs until it's done. Additionally, as mentioned, the download speed you have is determined by the number and type of peers you are connected to. If you aren't uploading anything, you aren't connecting to peers, which can slow down your rate. Whenever I download something from a torrent/magnet link, I use the Gnutella network. The thing about this is, not only are the files hosted by peers, so is everything else- so when you start it, it automatically connects you to 50 or so other peers, even when not doing anything. Then, if you run a search, it sends what you're searching for to the peers you're connected to, and if they're not seeding a file which matches yor search, they send it to all the peers they're connected to, and so on. Which means that if you're connected to the Gnutella network, which you have to be in order to seed any files, then you have to put up with downloading and uploading loads more files, which often take up 4 or 5 times the bandwidth the seeded torrent does in both directions. Thats one of the reasons I prefer not to seed any- if I was using something else, maybe, but nothing else has the same amount of features as the Gnutella client. If you're connected to alot of other leachers, you're going to have a slow rate. Fortunately most good clients have ways to ban peers so that if you see someone who is just sitting there sucking up your upload rate, you can just stop giving them anything. Some trackers may even block you if they see you aren't uploading anything. On the otherhand, if you have connected peers or seeders which aren't giving you any data, you can ban them too and occasionally boost your download rates as other peers get connected. This method however only works well if you have a fairly large pool of peers to work with. If there's fewer than 200-300 peers, you may end up thinning out the group too much if you aren't careful. Every time I've used anything other than Gnutella, I've only had 2 or 3 peers- and usually, only one of those is seeding,the rest are leechers. This means that I can't really do anything about the slow download rate. Also, one very important thing I should point out is that I've only ever used p2p to download UT2004, and a load of cracks for other games, to get them to work in wine (a Windows emulator for Linux, with very poor copy-protection support- games often fail to realise that it's actually legal, or to accept the cd key, etc). Of course, if these are being downloaded by other people, chances are it's just because they haven't got the game but want to play it anyway, not because they do, but can't without using those downloads. Basically, if I was using a client that didn't use up loads of bandwidth (in both directions), and was downloading files that were completely legal, I'd gladly let them seed for a while afterwards. But as files like that are almost always available as an http download, I just use that instead, because those are what I prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solo201081 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 OMG Ive started something here :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chjoco15 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 the thing i like about p2p is that if you want to shut of your computer during a large demo download, you can, and resume the download after. But for the downloads under 400 mb, i definetly prefer http. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 While doing soem of my usual random browsing I stumbled across some topics related with Demonoid. It seems they've recently had trouble with the canadian government over P2P violations. It was bad enough that it shut down the whole service. Now one should ask, if the Canadian govenrment has enough of an issue with what Demonoid does, and had the capability to get information about people using those torrents, the service itself can't be safe, even if you were planning to download the 5 or 6 legal torrents they host. Guess it just goes to show you that nothing illegal is ever really safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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