Few tech questions...

[FMod]

W10 is a free UPGRADE not a free Operating System. So yes you do need W7 or W8 to obtain W10. And Linux what games are you going run with that?

It would be great if people would check facts before posting the first thing that pops into their head.

I did explain in quite some detail that this is not a free OS, it's an extended beta that only keeps working while attached to an Insider MSA and continuously updated.

 

Linux runs A LOT of games these days. The major titles that run on Linux include everything Half Life related and recent titles from BioShock, Borderlands, Civilization, Metro, Saints Row and XCOM series.

It's nowhere near as many as Windows Vista will run (nearly all), but it is an OS and it runs games. I'm certainly not suggesting using it though, which was clearly stated.

 

Again, if you re-read the thread, I suggested that the OP tests out his sound card on a different OS before throwing it away and shelling out for a new one that most likely won't be as good.

 

As the OP replied that they don't have access to another OS to test their card on, I corrected them by explaining they do have access to other OS. Even Windows 7, actually, but just for a 30 day trial (which has nothing to do with free software). Limited time or otherwise conditional access is perfectly suitable for diagnosing a hardware vs driver problem.

Edited June 2, 2016 by FMod

[PillMonster]

 

W10 is a free UPGRADE not a free Operating System. So yes you do need W7 or W8 to obtain W10. And Linux what games are you going run with that?

It would be great if people would check facts before posting the first thing that pops into their head.

I did explain in quite some detail that this is not a free OS, it's an extended beta that only keeps working while attached to an Insider MSA and continuously updated.

 

Linux runs A LOT of games these days. The major titles that run on Linux include everything Half Life related and recent titles from BioShock, Borderlands, Civilization, Metro, Saints Row and XCOM series.

It's nowhere near as many as Windows Vista will run (nearly all), but it is an OS and it runs games. I'm certainly not suggesting using it though, which was clearly stated.

 

Again, if you re-read the thread, I suggested that the OP tests out his sound card on a different OS before throwing it away and shelling out for a new one that most likely won't be as good.

 

As the OP replied that they don't have access to another OS to test their card on, I corrected them by explaining they do have access to other OS. Even Windows 7, actually, but just for a 30 day trial (which has nothing to do with free software). Limited time or otherwise conditional access is perfectly suitable for diagnosing a hardware vs driver problem.

 

What u said regarding Linux I don't take issue with, tbh it's neither here nor there as OP will never run it..Some other comments tho, yes they need to be addressed..

 

 

Aghh hang on, gotta go do something I'll be back shortly to clarify what I'm referring to. Watch this post.

[niphilim222]

I just saw your Motherboard does not support That video card in your first post. I think you may need to buy a new Motherboard for such a gpu you want. It only supports crossfire.

 

 

 

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/M5A97_LE_R20/specifications/ Current build I reviewed your spec sheet before you buying into that mobo, if you have a suggest take action, i can refer a decent sli crossfire mobo for you if you want.

Edited June 2, 2016 by niphilim222

[PillMonster]

I just saw your Motherboard does not support That video card in your first post. I think you may need to buy a new Motherboard for such a gpu you want. It only supports crossfire.

 

 

 

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/M5A97_LE_R20/specifications/ Current build I reviewed your spec sheet before you buying into that mobo, if you have a suggest take action, i can refer a decent sli crossfire mobo for you if you want.

No motherboard support just crossfire, at least not since Nvidia got out of the business.... The M5A97 is a 970 and only takes a single GPU.

AMD's SLI/CFX compatible boards are the 990 series. :)

 

 

 

 

 

Again, if you re-read the thread, I suggested that the OP tests out his sound card on a different OS before throwing it away and shelling out for a new one that most likely won't be as good.

 

Tbh I didn't even know what u told OP regarding the soundcard till just now, but since you mentioned it:

 

The card was running fine on Vista before it stopped working. He installed it on a completely different system and it still didn't work. Suggesting an OS upgrade to resolve the issue doesn't help him..

Not to mention the card is worth about $35. A new W10 OS is about $150NZD.

 

You're were right about one thing tho, I hadn't read the whole thread because when I did I realised I have the exact same card. So @OP if u want to PM me I can go through some issues I've had also.

It would be handy to know the bsod codes etc though.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway my complaint here is the information u gave OP regarding W10. It's inaccurate to say the least, but some things are just not true.

I will break down every point individually, although I'd rather not. But I get the feeling you would ask me to anyway.

 

The bottom line is the OP cannot obtain a free copy of W10 by legitimate methods, and the Insider Program doesn't work the way you think it does.

And yes, you said free. Get for free and use for free are the same thing imho. He can do neither anyway. Nobody can get a copy without meeting the upgrade requirements.

 

 

 

 

Second, a little known fact, you can use Windows 10 for free even if you don't own a Win 7 or 8.

 

Not true. Never was.

 

 

 

Note the catch: use, not get. It's not piracy (which isn't free anyway, you pay by giving pirates control over your PC), but rather a lack of previous version ownership requirements in Microsoft Insider licensing agreements, which makes Insider builds legal as long as they're connected to a Microsoft account.

 

Not true.

 

Can I get a link to the Insider Licensing agreement you speak of.

 

 

 

The Insider program also has some other conditions: you can't opt out of updates or telemetry; you get updates before others; and you don't get a permanent entitlement, only a license to use the software at Microsoft's sole discretion, that discretion currently being to keep extending your license as long as you keep installing new updates.

 

This is partly true partly not. Enterprise Preview u can opt out of anything. Telemetry is not forced and you can turn off Windows Update. But then you won't get new builds.

 

 

At the end of Win10's lifecycle, and such will probably come (they promised to make it the last Windows ever, but they made a 32-bit version of it), it will probably expire. Possibly at the end of Mainstream Support. In contrast, Win 7/8 users get a digital entitlement, so they get to keep their W10, updated or not, for as long as their motherboard holds out. With Insider, they're not giving away W10, just letting you run it.

 

 

 

Not true. Insiders who were there before a particular date were given Digital Licenses, that means W10 free for life no strings attached.

The whole purpose of the Insider Program is to beta test prerelease builds. Not much point testing after it goes RTM.

 

Join up now and subject to the same upgradee requirements as every other Joe bloe user. That means u need an activated copy of W8 or W7

 

There will be no end of W10 support, users will receive constant upgrades that's why it's now subscription based. Enterprise and Servers being exempt.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, it's probably worth it. Mandatory updates and telemetry are a normal part of the modern continuous delivery model and Microsoft is a late adopter here; for a lot of highly-connected software, anything else has been unimaginable for years.

Microsoft's current priority is to kill old versions, especially XP and 7, in favor of Windows 10 (and not, say, Linux!), and they've been too aggressive about pushing W10 to worry about them pulling back.

 

Mandatory updates an telemetry are certainly not part of the modern continuous delivery model, whatever that means.. If MS ever forced updates in Enterprise environments all hell would break loose.

IBM and HP would be switching to OSx.

 

W10 is basically a steaming turd and MS have become control freaks. It started out great but turned into Vista.

 

 

 

 

P.S. Disclaimer: IANAL. Everything above is my best understanding, supported by public statements from Microsoft employees and major online publications, but is not to be considered legal advice. Also, my apologies if the staff deems this information to be in the spirit of bypassing the owner's intent; no argument then, but my current understanding is that this door was left open very deliberately, as Microsoft is talking about it, so it falls in the avoidance rather than evasion category.

 

You can't make assumptions and call it fact, either it's fact or it isn't...a disclaimer is not a free pass.

 

 

That's all I have to say I don't want to hijack the thread by turning this in another debate.

Possibly it's a misunderstanding on your part however if you disagree I would like links to the sources you claim to have which support your statements. As quoted by you.

 

 

Just so you know, I'm a member of both MSDN and TechNet, and I was involved with the MS Insider program for W10 from the beginning, so I'm well aware of the criteria involved for upgrades. :)

 

 

 

 

 

[FMod]

(1) The card was running fine on Vista before it stopped working. He installed it on a completely different system and it still didn't work. Suggesting an OS upgrade to resolve the issue doesn't help him.

(2) Not to mention the card is worth about $35.

(3) A new W10 OS is about $150NZD.

1) Unclear. The OP never said their card "just stopped working". They said it doesn't work on their new system. This can be a driver compatibility problem.

2) False. The OP's card is one of the best gaming cards ever produced and costs around $200: http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Blaster-X-Fi-Titanium-Fatal1ty/dp/B001BDPLJA

3) Irrelevant. I suggested conducting a no-cost experiment, not a paid upgrade. (Admittedly, W10 isn't the best OS to use for such; initially I expected the OP to have something already and then just correcting them about having no access to other OS).

 

 

(4) The bottom line is the OP cannot obtain a free copy of W10 by legitimate methods, and

(5) the Insider Program doesn't work the way you think it does.

(6) And yes, you said free. Get for free and use for free are the same thing imho. He can do neither anyway.

(7) Nobody can get a copy without meeting the upgrade requirements.

4) Technically false, maybe true in spirit. Microsoft gives copies away freely, but they don't work as you'd want them to. If what you meant to say was "entitlement" rather than "copy", that would be true.

5) Likely false. As supported by the links I've provided below, and as verified by myself just this day, it seems to work the way I think it does.

6) False. "Get for free" and "use for free" are different things. You can use a bridge for free, you can't get one for free.

7) Verifiably false. Anyone can get a copy on microsoft.com.

 

 

Just so you know, I'm a member of both MSDN and TechNet

Can I get a link to the Insider Licensing agreement you speak of.

I'd be surprised if you couldn't. But just in case: https://insider.windows.com/Home/TermsOfUse

 

 

[8] There will be no end of W10 support, users will receive constant upgrades

(9) that's why it's now subscription based.

8. Unknown. There is, in fact, an end of support date of October 13, 2020 on Microsoft's website.

 

8.1. But, there is also a verbal promise by some Microsoft employees, not backed by any contractual obligation, that "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows", which suggests indefinite support.

8.2. But, there is also a 32-bit version of Windows 10. So making good on that promise will require Microsoft to maintain 2 OS at once, one of them with a clumsy SxS system and the other obsolete, long after 32-bit software ceases to be a thing.

8.3. However, for the promise to hold, it just has to be the last version of Windows. In case the emphasis above is overly subtle: of Windows.

 

9) False. It's not subscription based. It's still generally marketed on a buy-to-use basis.

 

 

Possibly it's a misunderstanding on your part however if you disagree I would like links to the sources you claim to have which support your statements.

http://lifehacker.com/get-the-newest-version-of-windows-forever-with-windows-1775733312

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/06/19/upcoming-changes-to-windows-10-insider-preview-builds/

 

I did not blindly trust the links, either. To verify that this is still true, I just installed it on a PC that never had any entitlement or insider build attached.

 

I got it by pushing a button on Microsoft's official website. I used no third-party tools. I entered no key. This leads me (at least as a non-lawyer) to believe that I was in the clear.

 

It installed.

Upon installation, the Personalize window was blocked and Windows suggested me to buy a key. This indicates an unlicensed version.

I then entered settings, selected to become an Insider, and created a new account. The agreement said I may install and use it. The signs of being unlicensed disappeared. I picked a theme, a wallpaper, it worked.

 

This is clearly an intended behavior. It's been this way for almost a year: install without a key, get a crippled Windows. Join Insider, it gets uncrippled. Quit Insider or stop updating, it gets crippled again.

Now, I'm not suggesting anyone uses this instead of buying an OS. It's not a replacement. But it can be done at least for evaluation purposes.

(Although, just to be further on the safe side, this isn't a discussion I'll develop further, before someone comes in with wrong ideas.)

 

 

 

Just so you know, I'm a member of both MSDN and TechNet...

...Not much point testing after it goes RTM.

Just so you know, I'm a member of both MSDN and TechNet...

...continuous delivery model, whatever that means.

No comment.

Edited June 3, 2016 by FMod

[PillMonster]

 

1) Unclear. The OP never said their card "just stopped working". They said it doesn't work on their new system.
2) False. The OP's card is one of the best gaming cards ever produced and costs around $200: http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Blaster-X-Fi-Titanium-Fatal1ty/dp/B001BDPLJA
3) Irrelevant. I suggested conducting a no-cost experiment, not a paid upgrade.

(1) The card was running fine on Vista before it stopped working. He installed it on a completely different system and it still didn't work. Suggesting an OS upgrade to resolve the issue doesn't help him.
(2) Not to mention the card is worth about $35.

(3) A new W10 OS is about $150NZD.

 

 

 

He cannot get a fee OS that's the point.

Not only that but you claimed he could continuously receive updates as long as he was in the insider program. You're not sliding of this one mate.

 

(4) The bottom line is the OP cannot obtain a free copy of W10 by legitimate methods, and

(5) the Insider Program doesn't work the way you think it does.
(6) And yes, you said free. Get for free and use for free are the same thing imho. He can do neither anyway.

(7) Nobody can get a copy without meeting the upgrade requirements.

 

 

4) Technically false. Microsoft gives copies away freely. OTOH, if what you meant to say was "entitlement" rather than "copy", that would be true.

5) Likely false. As supported by the links I've provided below, and as verified by myself just this day, it seems to work the way I think it does.
6) False. "Get for free" and "use for free" are different things. You can use a bridge for free, you can't get one for free.
7) Verifiably false. Anyone can get a copy on microsoft.com.

 

Proof. Where is the link to MS which states W10 is available for free as you stated. I want to see it. Because otherwise I will post a screenshot from Technet to prove you are making baseless claims.

 

You obviously haven't read the deployment guides. Or know anything about the Insider Program .

 

I'd be surprised if you couldn't. But just in case

 

 

I know what the licensing agreement says. I says what might happen, not what will happen.

 

 

( :cool: There will be no end of W10 support, users will receive constant upgrades
(9) that's why it's now subscription based.

 

:cool: Unknown. There is, in fact, an end of support date of October 13, 2020 on Microsoft's website.

 

8.1. But, there is also a verbal promise by some Microsoft employees, not backed by any contractual obligation, that "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows", which suggests indefinite support.

 

8.2. But, there is also a 32-bit version of Windows 10. So making good on that promise will require Microsoft to maintain 2 OS at once, one of them with a clumsy SxS system and the other obsolete, long after 32-bit software ceases to be a thing.

8.3. However, for the promise to hold, it just has to be the last version of Windows. In case the emphasis above is overly subtle: of Windows.

 

9) False. It's not subscription based. It's still generally marketed on a buy-to-use basis.

 

Bull. To activate W10 u need an Microsoft Account, that's subscription. You're clearly making all this up.

 

 

Possibly it's a misunderstanding on your part however if you disagree I would like links to the sources you claim to have which support your statements.

 

 

http://lifehacker.com/get-the-newest-version-of-windows-forever-with-windows-1775733312
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/06/19/upcoming-changes-to-windows-10-insider-preview-builds/

 

I did not blindly trust the links, either. To verify that this is still true, I am writing this very post on Windows 10, which I just installed on a PC that never had any entitlement or insider build attached.

I downloaded it from Microsoft's official website. I used no third-party tools. I entered no key. I made no claims.

This leads me (at least as s non-lawyer) to believe that I had no opportunity to commit an unlawful act.

 

It installed.

Upon installation, the Personalize window was blocked and Windows told me to buy it. This indicates an unlicensed version.
I then entered settings, selected to become an Insider, and created a new account. All signs of being unlicensed disappeared. I picked a theme, a wallpaper, started installing apps.

This is clearly an intended behavior. It's been this way for almost a year: install without a key, get a crippled Windows. Join Insider, it gets uncrippled. Quit Insider or stop updating, it gets crippled again.

 

No, lifehacker and blogs sites are not going to work. Show us the official legal terms and conditions from Microsoft which you claimed to have read.

 

If you can't provide them within the next 10 mins, you are an outright liar. I already know you're lying anyway, Just ask me and I'll also post the real T's & C's to remove any doubt.

 

 

Unbelievable....... No wonder you posted a disclaimer at the bottom of your post.

 

 

Don't pm me again.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2016 by PillMonster

[FMod]

Not only that but you claimed he could continuously receive updates as long as he was in the insider program. You're not sliding of this one mate.

He can and will continuously receive updates as long as he is in the insider program. Unless Microsoft suddenly decides to change the terms.

 

 

Bull. To activate W10 u need an Microsoft Account, that's subscription. You're clearly making all this up.

You don't need a Microsoft Account to activate W10.

 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/activation-in-windows-10

 

 

No, lifehacker and blogs sites are not going to work. Show us the official legal terms and conditions from Microsoft which you claimed to have read.

If you can't provide them within the next 10 mins, you are an outright liar. I already know you're lying anyway, Just ask me and I'll also post the real T's & C's to remove any doubt.

Have you not read the entire post? I already linked to them: https://insider.windows.com/Home/TermsOfUse

 

If this was 11 minutes, feel free to consider yourself victorious though.

[PillMonster]

 

Not only that but you claimed he could continuously receive updates as long as he was in the insider program. You're not sliding of this one mate.

 

He can and will continuously receive updates as long as he is in the insider program. Unless Microsoft suddenly decides to change the terms.

 

 

Rubbish. He can't get an Insider Preview unless he already has W7 or W8 I told you that already. You're spamming BS.

 

Bull. To activate W10 u need an Microsoft Account, that's subscription. You're clearly making all this up.

 

 

You don't need a Microsoft Account to activate W10.

 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/activation-in-windows-10

 

Another spam link. The context was Insider Build. An MS account is required. And "Digital License" btw is MS account. Offc how would u know that?

 

 

No, lifehacker and blogs sites are not going to work. Show us the official legal terms and conditions from Microsoft which you claimed to have read.

If you can't provide them within the next 10 mins, you are an outright liar. I already know you're lying anyway, Just ask me and I'll also post the real T's & C's to remove any doubt.

Have you not read the entire post? I already linked to them: https://insider.windows.com/Home/TermsOfUse

 

If this was 11 minutes, feel free to consider yourself victorious though.

 

What exactly is that link meant to be? You've referenced the original Insider page which is OVER A YEAR OLD. Explain how this is relevant to anything at all. p.

 

 

One more lie from you I won't even reply I'll just hit the report button, maybe the mods can sort you out. I'll be happy to provide them with plenty of evidence illustrating that u are indeed lying.

 

You're digging a hole to China mate and lost all credibility on the way. Let it go.

Edited June 4, 2016 by PillMonster

[blove]

It was possible and proven and irrelevant to start. Why argue? Not like it was "restricted to server versions only"...

 

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[PillMonster]

Just as a footnote put this thread out of it's misery, here are the conditions even stated on Lifehackers own site Fomod quoted.

 

Now you need W10 to join, not just W8 or W7.

 

 

 

Self explanatory. No need for a reply.

 

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b608/pillmonsta1/Capture_zpstgmpkncn.jpg

Edited June 4, 2016 by PillMonster