This is what happens when you support console modding.

[steelfeathers]

Assuming any of the claims you're making about Skyrim 2 are true, Zanity, I have to jump in and disagree with some of your recommendations.

 

1) "This means reversing the 'modder is god' policy of the Nexus, and actively encouraging modders to make their resources available for the use of other modders."

 

If people are feeling generous and want to offer the meshes/texture/scripts they've made for others to use, good for them. But people who want to retain ownership of their creative output should not be shamed and looked down upon. I spent countless hours creating custom clothing and armor for Skyrim, from scratch, and I resent the implication that I "need" to allow the entire internet to have those things in order to support the modding community.

 

2) "The Nexus should actively encourage all forms of fundamental modder resources to be hosted here- not just GLORY-SEEKING, "how many endorsements did I get" finished mods."

 

I don't understand why you seem to think that putting in the time and effort to create a quality, polished mod (rather than publishing in "early access" state, although there's nothing wrong with that) is GLORY-SEEKING. That just makes no sense.

 

3) "The whole HOT-FILES, Files of the Month concept belongs on Beth.net, not here. Modding should NOT be a popularity contest (which brings out the very worst in people) but a happy decent collabrative effort where SHARING ideas and skills is seen as the ideal."

 

You are correct, in that people should not make mods solely to get attention. We should make mods because we enjoy doing so, and want to share our efforts with others. However, the truth of the matter is that we NEED the Hot Files page, or something like it - we need a way to quickly show people which mods are the best from that week. Franky, there are far too many mods being posted every day (and far too many of them are not really worth looking at) for people to sort through. Some people DO go and hunt through all the new releases, looking for gems, and good for them! Most people don't have that dedication, though. And without the Hot Files to draw attention to the good mods from the past week, a lot of really awesome mods would vanish into obscurity.

 

 

 

All that said, I shudder at the thought of Bethesda.net being the only hosting site we could use, although given Bethesda's welcoming attitude towards modders in the past, I can't see them taking such a drastic step. Or if they did, I'm sure the avalanche of internet outrage that would ensue would cause them to reverse course, as it did for paid modding for Skyrim.

Edited May 29, 2016 by steelfeathers

[JuJooGuppy]

The level of stupid in some parts of this thread gets my dick hard.

 

It is literally a simple few clicks enter a mod name to upload it to consoles on bethesda.net, nothing more than that. Nothing has to be done special to make it happen beyond like 5 minutes of work.

 

As for this harassment and hate? I've only seen negativity in the bulls*** "rating" system beth uses and in MA's not being able to clean the comment section of their page. I've had basically nothing but good or just so stupid it's silly interactions with console users, so I don't know what the f*** you none mod authors are complaining about.

 

 

Thanks, I was curious how hard it was to convert a mod.

 

If its just a matter of a few clicks and saving it / uploading it for consoles, then I see zero reason not to just do it. That seems silly to me. I will certainly do so, if Bethesda will accept my mod(s). I don't get where thats a big deal at all.

 

 

I *DO* get the frustration with the vocal portion of the console crowd, because WOW are there some stupid post. They have no clue how long it takes to do even "simple" task, and that can be frustrating. But certainly won't stop me from sharing when it takes no real effort on my part..

[JuJooGuppy]

The management of Nexus chooses to bury its head in the sand, and encourage the moderators to toe the party line. But something is coming that should make us all very unhappy.

 

The issue is NOT FO4. Just as Beth's unhappy attempts to SABOTAGE Skyrim modding crashed and burned within days, there is next-to-nothing Beth can do to spoil the (dying) Nexus mod scene for FO4. Why? Cos of the direct consequences of the ancient software engine used to power FO4. It is too open- too hackable- too 'old school'.

 

The issue is Skyrim 2 (the place holder name for the next Elder Scrolls single player open world game). This game uses the ALL NEW iDTech derived engine- that is built from the ground up for modular, easy to apply, easy to control, easy to distribute mods. And this engine WILL NOT allow mods to be hosted anywhere but Bethesda,net.

 

Mods for Skyrim2 will all need to contain SIGNATURE IP owned by Bethesda, and this trick allows Beth total control over how and when such mods are made available.

 

For earlier Beth games, most mods do not need to contain one lick of Beth IP (using Beth tools to make a mod is NOT the same thing legally as a mod that contains Beth IP). It is the world's easiest thing to create a modding system where mods all need a legally licensable block of IP SIGNATURE code embedded within them. Skyrim 2 will NOT have the 'accidental' modding world of FO3/NV/Skyrim/FO4- think Apple app store instead.

 

Can Beth be dissuaded from this course of action? NO! Will this kill Beth game modding as we currently understand it? YES!

 

In the mean time, the BEST strategy is to ignore the drama created by Beth.net, and to remake Nexus in the shape of the best open-source practices. This means reversing the 'modder is god' policy of the Nexus, and actively encouraging modders to make their resources available for the use of other modders. Modders should NOT have the ability to block read-only access to 'their' pages on the Nexus - that abilty is so open to abuse it is unreal.

 

The Nexus should actively encourage all forms of fundamental modder resources to be hosted here- not just GLORY-SEEKING, "how many endorsements did I get" finished mods.

 

The whole HOT-FILES, Files of the Month concept belongs on Beth.net, not here. Modding should NOT be a popularity contest (which brings out the very worst in people) but a happy decent collabrative effort where SHARING ideas and skills is seen as the ideal.

 

Nexus has an uphill battle to come- taking the high ground is the ONLY way to win.

 

 

I have seen you post this more than a few times, but you have yet to provide ANY evidence that any of it is true. The reason Bethesda continues to try to push the Gamebryo engine to its breaking point isn't because they lack other options at this point, they in fact have many options. No, they stick to it because they KNOW it. They can work on it much faster than an engine the entire team has no experience with and would need to learn, thus saving them the most precious of commodities, time. They can turn out huge, creative & populated worlds in relatively short time periods since they know the engine so well.

 

With Gamebryo's age catching up to it, barring some how revamping it drastically, there may be a point soon where they switch engines. But I have seen no evidence provided that they are doing so right now. So please do share links / sources.

[Mitigate]

I fear Zanity is spot on regarding how Bethesda will play it. Anyone who thinks they wont have a damn good go at making Bethesda.net MANDATORY and the only place to upload and download mods is frankly f@cking deluded!

This is why I am scratching my head at all the support bethesda.net is currently getting. No one seems to remember their last attempts at trashing things. No one seems to recognize a Trojan Horse when they see one.

Please, for the love of the Nexus and freedom from DRM, keep your mods OFF bethesda.net!

If it 'aint broke, don't fix it.

The current way we enjoy modding on the Nexus is in no need of refinement or altering. Therefore anything bethesda.net offers can only mean trouble. It can only be about taking control. And then it will only lead to paid mods rising it's ugly head again.


To reiterate, I am not a mod author. I am a supporter of the Nexus and of those who have put the time and effort into fixing the games I love so much. I only speak as that and as someone who doesn't want things to change.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Mitigate

[Radioactivelad]

I fear

 

Don't fear something that was pulled out of a tinfoil briefcase.

[dazzerfong]

I fear Zanity is spot on regarding how Bethesda will play it. Anyone who thinks they wont have a damn good go at making Bethesda.net MANDATORY and the only place to upload and download mods is frankly f@cking deluded!

 

This is why I am scratching my head at all the support bethesda.net is currently getting. No one seems to remember their last attempts at trashing things. No one seems to recognize a Trojan Horse when they see one.

 

Please, for the love of the Nexus and freedom from DRM, keep your mods OFF bethesda.net!

 

If it 'aint broke, don't fix it.

 

The current way we enjoy modding on the Nexus is in no need of refinement or altering. Therefore anything bethesda.net offers can only mean trouble. It can only be about taking control. And then it will only lead to paid mods rising it's ugly head again.

 

 

To reiterate, I am not a mod author. I am a supporter of the Nexus and of those who have put the time and effort into fixing the games I love so much. I only speak as that and as someone who doesn't want things to change.

Gimme an address, I'll be sure to send some tinfoil and a used Faraday cage.

 

How about you don't tell me what to do? See the irony? PC mod user making demands of mod authors. Whether you like change or not is inconsequential. The 'paid mods' fiasco wasn't so much Beth trying to split the community up: it's PC mod users who showed their true colours. Or, as some might put it here, the 'vocal minority' who you're trying to pin.

Edited May 30, 2016 by dazzerfong

[ItsCraft]

i feel like this topic post is now more of just banter talk?
there are no solutions here and its trivial.

[TeamBacon]

 

I *DO* get the frustration with the vocal portion of the console crowd, because WOW are there some stupid post. They have no clue how long it takes to do even "simple" task, and that can be frustrating. But certainly won't stop me from sharing when it takes no real effort on my part..

 

 

Do you seriously think this is new? We have had the same issue going back as long as I have been modding?

 

 

 

As soon as New Vegas was released people were sending me email wondering why I didn't just port my mod over to New Vegas now, not understanding that the whole thing would have to be built from scratch again and I was building a stand alone game at the time and couldn't spare all that time.

 

Ever since Fallout 4 was released, people have been all over this website wondering why modders don't bring everything over from Skyrim and New Vegas...

 

They don't just want modders to do massive amounts of work for them, but they are asking things that are highly illegal, like bringing assets from vanilla New Vegas into Fallout 4.

 

People of the PC master race who think that we can click two buttons and boom! Now Skyrim is in the Fallout 4 engine.

 

 

Don't act like console users are the only ignorant ones.

[Luigifan22]

Grow up and quit acting like you PC player's are any better.This is the first time console player's are getting mod support.They're just a little excited.Calling them brats when you PC player's have been known to be brats yourself is so ironic.Not to mention you guys were against consoles getting mod's when it was first announced.Console user's are nowhere near as entitled as you PC brats are.Yes,not every PC player is like this but it's sad and pathetic that you have to make the one's that dont have this stupid mindset look bad. Both sides are bad but you PC player's have been pretty bad far more.

[Mitigate]

I'd rather be called a tinfoil hat wearer than trust capitalism.

In any case, this thread has begun devolving into the usual pissing contest/bickering I have come to expect from any interaction over the internet. I said my piece. I can only hope I gave someone something to think about.