Random CTDs after modding

[Icarium89]

Hi,

I have a new computer and started modding Skyrim to get in touch with the performance of the machine.

computer data:
Intel Core i7 6700K
16,0GB DDR4 Ram
8192 MBATI AMD Radeon R9 390 Series

First of all, I am using MO to install the Mods and LOOT/TS5Edit to order and clean the mods.

SSME is also installed.

Here is my Mod list:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Falskaar.esm
7 7 Wyrmstooth.esp
8 8 RSkyrimChildren.esm
9 9 Campfire.esm
10 a HoldsResources.esm
11 b AP Skyrim.esm
12 c hdtHighHeel.esm
13 d EFFCore.esm
JSwords.esm
14 e RaceCompatibility.esm
15 f WM Flora Fixes.esp
16 10 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
17 11 ApachiiHair.esm
18 12 AzarHair.esm
19 13 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
20 14 notice board.esp
21 15 moonpath.esm
22 16 TravellersOfSkyrim.esm
23 17 SkyUI.esp
24 18 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
25 19 ETaC - Complete.esp
26 1a ELFX - Exteriors.esp
27 1b VioLens.esp
28 1c Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
29 1d UltimateDragons.esp
30 1e iHUD.esp
31 1f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
32 20 FortWinstad.esp
33 21 lordship.esp
34 22 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
35 23 3DNPC.esp
36 24 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp
37 25 ELFXEnhancer.esp
38 26 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
39 27 CAMP.esp
40 28 MoreBanditCamps(Original-Edition).esp
41 29 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
42 2a Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
43 2b Helgen Reborn.esp
44 2c RealisticWaterTwo.esp
45 2d RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp
46 2e Civil War Overhaul.esp
47 2f FireAndIceOverhaul.esp
48 30 Northern Bathhouses.esp
49 31 AnnaNPCs.esp
50 32 w2salem.esp
51 33 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
52 34 ELFX - Weathers.esp
53 35 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
54 36 Immersive Whiterun.esp
55 37 Immersive Solstheim.esp
56 38 Kynesguard.esp
57 39 CornerofTheSkyrim.esp
58 3a RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
59 3b Purewaters.esp
60 3c TheFrontier.esp
61 3d Cloaks.esp
62 3e SamuraiEstate.esp
63 3f SMIM-Merged-All.esp
64 40 moonpath_questdata.esp
65 41 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
66 42 AdalMatar.esp
67 43 Dawnspire.esp
68 44 Hunterborn.esp
69 45 Immersive Weapons.esp
JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp
70 46 Immersive Patrols II.esp
71 47 RSChildren - Complete.esp
72 48 1nivWICCloaks.esp
73 49 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
74 4a SFO - Dragonborn.esp
75 4b Better Vampires.esp
76 4c EFFDialogue.esp
77 4d FNIS.esp
78 4e ASX_Spells.esp
79 4f Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
80 50 Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp
81 51 Dimachaerus.esp
82 52 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
83 53 UIExtensions.esp
84 54 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp
85 55 RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
86 56 Horsemen Combat Enhancement.esp
87 57 Oriental Weapon&Armor.esp
88 58 ShieldsofSkyrim.esp
89 59 PND.esp
90 5a SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp
91 5b The Ningheim.esp
92 5c Dragon Falls Manor.esp
93 5d ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
94 5e Ashenguard.esp
95 5f flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp
96 60 Tame Beast.esp
97 61 arnima.esp
98 62 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
99 63 Frostfall.esp
100 64 SofiaFollower.esp
101 65 Midas Magic Expanded.esp
102 66 BloodmoonRising.esp
103 67 The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp
104 68 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp
105 69 ForgottenCity.esp
106 6a WheelsOfLull.esp
107 6b RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp
108 6c HoldsModularUSLEEPCompatibilityPatch.esp
109 6d HF_Windstad_Pool_and_Hot_Bath.esp
110 6e The Ningheim - Followers.esp
111 6f RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
112 70 listernersarmorset.esp
113 71 RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp
114 72 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
115 73 Faction Crossbows.esp
116 74 RaceMenu.esp
117 75 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
118 76 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
119 77 Convenient Horses.esp
120 78 High Level Enemies - Falskaar.esp
121 79 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
122 7a Smoking Candles.esp
Better Embers.esp
123 7b Sneak Tools.esp
124 7c Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
125 7d Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
126 7e CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp
127 7f Dragon Knowledge Spell.esp
128 80 LBackpackAll.esp
129 81 MageBackpack_byTumbajamba.esp
130 82 SabreFurBag.esp
131 83 ABT - Kevkas All-in-One.esp
132 84 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
133 85 Dryad Race.esp
134 86 AnnaDruidConjuration.esp
135 87 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
136 88 TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp
137 89 ScopedBows.esp
138 8a Unique Uniques.esp
139 8b Insanity's Dragonbane.esp
140 8c HN66DeathCrownKatana.esp
141 8d CL OrcishWeaponSet.esp
142 8e ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
143 8f ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
144 90 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
145 91 WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp
146 92 OrientalRace.esp
147 93 TrissArmorRetextured.esp
148 94 Tembtra Thief Armor.esp
149 95 Remodeled Armor.esp
150 96 Dovahkiin Mercenary Armor and Weapons CBBE.esp
151 97 Mara's Island.esp
152 98 BlackSacramentArmor.esp
153 99 dbsword.esp
154 9a Hermit.esp
155 9b CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp
156 9c My Home Is Your Home.esp
157 9d Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
158 9e dbdagger.esp
159 9f dbbownogloss.esp
160 a0 Arrowsmith.esp
161 a1 LightBladesArmor.esp
162 a2 Furbag.esp
163 a3 HuntressArmor.esp
164 a4 Equipping Overhaul.esp
165 a5 Insanity's Dragon Katana.esp
166 a6 aassassinscraftables.esp
167 a7 dbarrows.esp
168 a8 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
169 a9 Lightweightbonesandscales.esp
170 aa LunariRace.esp
171 ab Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp
ScopedBows_EagleEyeTweak.esp
JSwords_Load_Screens.esp
lockpickpro.esp
172 ac Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

I started the Game and everything went fine until I left the cave after Helgen. Then when I leave the entrance I get CTDs (it doesn't matter in which direction I go). First I had a look at some Papyrus Logs and thought I found the mods that did not work together, but afterwards it still crashed and did not produce any logfiles.

here are the links to the log files before completely disabeling dual sheat redux and patch:


https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/tJJ0oYPdy%2Fe2iDMwEQjQO3O%2BgxYgulCA


I hope that someone can help me.

Thx in advance.

 

P.S. Yes I know that I use many mods, but most of it are some overhauls and additional weapons/armors/locations/quests

[Urtho]

Do a binary search, deactivate half of you mods - test game. If no crash, bad mod(s) is in the half you deactivated, if you still crash disable half of what's left and retest. Do this until you find the problem mod(s), reactivate all other mods and leave them turned off and test again. If you don't crash, you've found your problem(s).

 

I don't see a merge / bash patch either, might want to create one and add it in with such a long load order.

[CxxProphet]

Alotta ppl posting their load orders and none of the ones I've seen ( including this one ) don't have a Bashed Patch.

[ironbender800]

FYI papyrus logs arent crash logs. They show scripting errors.

 

And i repeat this to people over and over......do NOT install 50 mods at once. This is what happens when you do. You get crashes and have NO idea when the problem started.

always always always test your game after every few mods......skse plugins i wouldnt worry about. But definitely test after any graphical mod or anything adding or modfying content in the game.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/wiki/troubleshooting_guide

 

Going through nexus and clicking on random mods that look cool without any testing or thoughts of compatbility and then expecting the game to just work......will always lead to wasted time and dissapoinment

[Icarium89]

Thx a lot for the feedback.

 

 

FYI papyrus logs arent crash logs. They show scripting errors.

 

And i repeat this to people over and over......do NOT install 50 mods at once. This is what happens when you do. You get crashes and have NO idea when the problem started.

always always always test your game after every few mods......skse plugins i wouldnt worry about. But definitely test after any graphical mod or anything adding or modfying content in the game.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/wiki/troubleshooting_guide

 

Going through nexus and clicking on random mods that look cool without any testing or thoughts of compatbility and then expecting the game to just work......will always lead to wasted time and dissapoinment

 

@ironbender

I know that papyrus logs are no crash logs. But they provide some Information about some of my used mods. If there is some crashlog, then I haven't found out about it. This might be due to the fact, that this is the first time for me to mod Skyrim extensively. For the part with the 50 (or more) mods, I at least tried to test them a bit. I started the game and did a few minutes of gameplay, but apparently not enough to find the bug, that is causen the CTDs. How long would be sufficient to test some mods? And one part of my list might exactly be the "cool looking stuff" but with the rest I spent several hours to look into compatibility. Anyways, thanks a lot for the Link to the troubleshootting guide.

 

 

Alotta ppl posting their load orders and none of the ones I've seen ( including this one ) don't have a Bashed Patch.

 

Well not everybody knows about bashed and merged patches. And not everybody might think everything through. They might see some cool video on Youtube about a highly modded Skyrim and just start with the Nexus mod manager. Afterwards they encounter problems and learn about MO, LOOT and TES5Edit. But at this point they might be so frustrated (probably about ther own naive expectations) that they just ask for help and try to provide as much information as they can.

 

 

Do a binary search, deactivate half of you mods - test game. If no crash, bad mod(s) is in the half you deactivated, if you still crash disable half of what's left and retest. Do this until you find the problem mod(s), reactivate all other mods and leave them turned off and test again. If you don't crash, you've found your problem(s).

 

I don't see a merge / bash patch either, might want to create one and add it in with such a long load order.

 

Well I would start my search for the bad mods when I have a bit more time. Is there any rule of thumb how to devide the mods (just deactivating one half is probably a bad idea because of dependencies)? I created a merged patch with this guide:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtLolEgVMTg

 

Still crashes. Would it be good to create a bash patch before doing the binary search? Or is there no hope, that it might fix the problem without the extensive error search?

 

 

Again, THX for the help so far.

[ironbender800]

SSME is outdated and simply building a merged patch doesnt mean your problem will be gone. Its merely a step to help with compatibility and stability.

 

I STRONGLY reccommend you take the time to follow a good guide like the STEP guide or any other decent beginner guide and do all the proper setup and everything correctly start to finish.

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.9.2

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/wiki/beginners_guide

[jeedge]

Ironbender,

 

I followed this guide successfully today, posted the link in another post before that I beleve you were also on:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74427/?

 

What drew me to it is apart from being very recently made (May 2016) there's a good guide to implement some new dll patch memory manager being used that make's skse sheson's and all the other ones (safety, stableugrids, etc) obsolete. When I say 'new' DLL, I haven't really heard about it elsewhere before.

 

I was skeptical after my first try was not successful - then I told myself that it *was* later at night, I was tired, yadayada so I tried it again today and man oh man, my game is so smooth now so far

 

I also had some snags along the way following the guide and the author of the write-up got right back to me both times - wihtin hours. I posted the 3 items I struggled with so if someone follows this guide, should also look at the recent posts in his page's Posts page as my questions and his answers may help clarify his guide a bit.

 

I didn't know you did a couple guides as well, will need to give those a look-see soon. :)

 

Jeedge

[ironbender800]

yeah thats a good one. That guide is actually what got me using Crash Fixes properly. I had first seen it in skyrim revisited. But neovalen doesnt provide instructions on using it correctly.

 

I havent personally written any guides all the things you see me link people to or that i post are things ive read or heard or watched from people much much smarter than me lol.

 

I just research and follow directions. I wish i could take credit for a guide but i cant :(

 

GamerPoets, DirtyWeasel, The STEP team, and random google searches and people on here are where i get my information.

[ironbender800]

The memory allocation steps are very important for a good smooth experience without a doubt. Setting the enblocal correctly is critical.