voldoman Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 blah you logout and "jay0510" logs in again i wonder if you agree with yourself in the next reply ;) just pick another thread to derail,this ones for grown ups. :rolleyes: You seem really irritated and salty by the fact my posts have helped people going as far as saying they are me. :laugh: I ain't going no where salty. Stay tuned for my next post. Your process of unplugging/replugging your video card(s) and reinstalling drivers? And helping who, your alt account? Yeah, go back to the Bethesda forums and continue your "it can't be Skyrim it must be hardware" propaganda there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whogoods Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Well well, The sodium level rises with none other than salt grain number #1. Welcome back to the barrel. I'm flattered, :wub: Stay tuned for more "Propaganda". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrad Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Most of you may not like what I have to say since wanting to play Skyrim has been so frustrating, but I did find a solution and I didn't like it. I don't have a tweak, only a change of video cards. I removed my HIS 6870 IceQ X 1GB GDDR5 video card and inserted my XFX Radeon HD 4870 ATI-Design 1GB GDDR5. I did not change the video drivers or change the Realtek drivers...I just booted up the system after changing to the ATI card, logged into Steam and began playing where it always crashed using the HIS card. The exact place where my system failed to continue using the HIS card did not crash my system using the ATI HD card. I have been able to play without any issues. I will be interesting to go back to my HIS card and play to see if it does crash again, but I don't think that will solve anything, but wasting more time on this. I'll reply to my own post. I was right, the HIS 6870 IceQ X 1GB GDDR5 video card causes the game to crash and my my XFX Radeon HD 4870 ATI-Design 1GB GDDR5 plays Skyrim just fine. I was able to play with the HIS card for about 10-15 minutes and then it did the infamous black screen crash with Skyrim only. There must be something about the faster cards causing the issue since the older cards work fine. Could it be DX11 since the HIS card is DX11 compatible and the XFX card is only 10.1? That is where I would look if I were a developer for Bethesda, but there could be something else. Most likely a driver issue. The game is DX9 so it really wouldn't matter if the 6870 supports DX11 while the 4870 doesn't. Have you tried increasing the voltage a notch or two on the 6870 with MSI Afterburner? Try that and see if it alleviates the crashes. If not I'd use drive sweeper to completely uninstall the video drivers and would install the latest beta drivers. I'd also delete the ini files located in ../my games/skyrim/ folder before starting up the game. Here is what worked for me using so that I can play Skyrim. That only took about 15-20 hours of headaches. First of all, here is what I found perplexing from your statement - Increase the voltage of my 6870 a few notches...means nothing because that is subjective. That was counter productive to me since the 4870 worked fine and the 6870 did not. Anyhow, I did download the MSI Afterburner v2.1.0 and installed it. I did do what you stated by increasing the voltage, and it failed, like I thought it would. However, I took what was working for the 4870 and applied it to the 9870 and it worked just fine. The 4870 has a 750Mhz Core Clock and a 900Mhz Memory Clock. I applied those settings ONLY to the 6870 using the MSI Afterburner. I just finished playing over 2 hours without any issues. I tried using AMD Vision Control, but the setting could not go as low as I needed for both the Core Clock and Memory Clock. I tried the lowest settings using the AMD tool and it crashed after 25 minutes or so...I knew I was headed in the right direction. Therefore, I used the MSI Afterburner to set the lower settings into a Profile that can be saved with the tool. Definitely the lower Mhz on the Core Clock and the Memory Clock worked. I bet it will work for anyone else as well. Don't remove and INI files, or try some other file hack. That just ends up screwing up the integrity of the directory structure. See attachment. Cheers! Have some ale. Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whogoods Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Though rare with reference clocked cards some come with too low a voltage for their clocks from the manufacturer so that is why I had recommended to put it up a notch or two. I personally I have to increase the voltage on my cards to 1.038 to run at the factory overclocked settings. Glad you worked it out though and hopefully the nine bless your game with hours upon hours of play. Pass the Skooma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrad Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Though rare with reference clocked cards some come with too low a voltage for their clocks from the manufacturer so that is why I had recommended to put it up a notch or two. I personally I have to increase the voltage on my cards to 1.038 to run at the factory overclocked settings. Glad you worked it out though and hopefully the nine bless your game with hours upon hours of play. Pass the Skooma. Thanks for the reference and MSI tool. Since I have dual monitors, I like viewing what my video card is doing on my second monitor using that tool. It's pretty cool to view the Framerate, Memory clock, Core Clock, Fan RPM, Fan Speed, GPU usage, and GPU temp while any game is in play. r/brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hi guys...I have the same problem from day one with this game and tried everything to fix it...So after so many hard resets i tried msi afterburner as someone suggested to adjust my gpu fans.I did that but didn't help me at all, so i decided to lower the memory clock speed of my gpu and see what happens.NOTE(I couldn't change it from ati ccc only the core speed from there).I have the ati hd 6770 sapphire and it has 1200 mhz memory clock speed so i lowered it to 1000 mhz.And guess what it really helped me the game is very stable from this day i play now for over a month without a crash i am lvl 58 and i have over 100 hours in the game and all i did was underclocking a little the gpu.I also have the 4g patch, the enbseries 9 patch and i open the game with gamebooster 3(really good program).I hope this helps, i know from my experience how frustrating is this bsod problem i don't know why is this happening only in skyrim but i found a solution by luck maybe someone with tech knowlegde can tell us...Sorry for my english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voldoman Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Most of you may not like what I have to say since wanting to play Skyrim has been so frustrating, but I did find a solution and I didn't like it. I don't have a tweak, only a change of video cards. I removed my HIS 6870 IceQ X 1GB GDDR5 video card and inserted my XFX Radeon HD 4870 ATI-Design 1GB GDDR5. I did not change the video drivers or change the Realtek drivers...I just booted up the system after changing to the ATI card, logged into Steam and began playing where it always crashed using the HIS card. The exact place where my system failed to continue using the HIS card did not crash my system using the ATI HD card. I have been able to play without any issues. I will be interesting to go back to my HIS card and play to see if it does crash again, but I don't think that will solve anything, but wasting more time on this. I'll reply to my own post. I was right, the HIS 6870 IceQ X 1GB GDDR5 video card causes the game to crash and my my XFX Radeon HD 4870 ATI-Design 1GB GDDR5 plays Skyrim just fine. I was able to play with the HIS card for about 10-15 minutes and then it did the infamous black screen crash with Skyrim only. There must be something about the faster cards causing the issue since the older cards work fine. Could it be DX11 since the HIS card is DX11 compatible and the XFX card is only 10.1? That is where I would look if I were a developer for Bethesda, but there could be something else. Most likely a driver issue. The game is DX9 so it really wouldn't matter if the 6870 supports DX11 while the 4870 doesn't. Have you tried increasing the voltage a notch or two on the 6870 with MSI Afterburner? Try that and see if it alleviates the crashes. If not I'd use drive sweeper to completely uninstall the video drivers and would install the latest beta drivers. I'd also delete the ini files located in ../my games/skyrim/ folder before starting up the game. Here is what worked for me using so that I can play Skyrim. That only took about 15-20 hours of headaches. First of all, here is what I found perplexing from your statement - Increase the voltage of my 6870 a few notches...means nothing because that is subjective. That was counter productive to me since the 4870 worked fine and the 6870 did not. Anyhow, I did download the MSI Afterburner v2.1.0 and installed it. I did do what you stated by increasing the voltage, and it failed, like I thought it would. However, I took what was working for the 4870 and applied it to the 9870 and it worked just fine. The 4870 has a 750Mhz Core Clock and a 900Mhz Memory Clock. I applied those settings ONLY to the 6870 using the MSI Afterburner. I just finished playing over 2 hours without any issues. I tried using AMD Vision Control, but the setting could not go as low as I needed for both the Core Clock and Memory Clock. I tried the lowest settings using the AMD tool and it crashed after 25 minutes or so...I knew I was headed in the right direction. Therefore, I used the MSI Afterburner to set the lower settings into a Profile that can be saved with the tool. Definitely the lower Mhz on the Core Clock and the Memory Clock worked. I bet it will work for anyone else as well. Don't remove and INI files, or try some other file hack. That just ends up screwing up the integrity of the directory structure. See attachment. Cheers! Have some ale. Brad I did this and was able to play again without random crashes 10 seconds-5 minutes after starting, but it still crashes when I open the world map >_< Oh well, at least it's semi playable again, but this is the last Bethesda game I ever buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsofglover Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Most of you may not like what I have to say since wanting to play Skyrim has been so frustrating, but I did find a solution and I didn't like it. I don't have a tweak, only a change of video cards. I removed my HIS 6870 IceQ X 1GB GDDR5 video card and inserted my XFX Radeon HD 4870 ATI-Design 1GB GDDR5. I did not change the video drivers or change the Realtek drivers...I just booted up the system after changing to the ATI card, logged into Steam and began playing where it always crashed using the HIS card. The exact place where my system failed to continue using the HIS card did not crash my system using the ATI HD card. I have been able to play without any issues. I will be interesting to go back to my HIS card and play to see if it does crash again, but I don't think that will solve anything, but wasting more time on this. I'll reply to my own post. I was right, the HIS 6870 IceQ X 1GB GDDR5 video card causes the game to crash and my my XFX Radeon HD 4870 ATI-Design 1GB GDDR5 plays Skyrim just fine. I was able to play with the HIS card for about 10-15 minutes and then it did the infamous black screen crash with Skyrim only. There must be something about the faster cards causing the issue since the older cards work fine. Could it be DX11 since the HIS card is DX11 compatible and the XFX card is only 10.1? That is where I would look if I were a developer for Bethesda, but there could be something else. Most likely a driver issue. The game is DX9 so it really wouldn't matter if the 6870 supports DX11 while the 4870 doesn't. Have you tried increasing the voltage a notch or two on the 6870 with MSI Afterburner? Try that and see if it alleviates the crashes. If not I'd use drive sweeper to completely uninstall the video drivers and would install the latest beta drivers. I'd also delete the ini files located in ../my games/skyrim/ folder before starting up the game. Here is what worked for me using so that I can play Skyrim. That only took about 15-20 hours of headaches. First of all, here is what I found perplexing from your statement - Increase the voltage of my 6870 a few notches...means nothing because that is subjective. That was counter productive to me since the 4870 worked fine and the 6870 did not. Anyhow, I did download the MSI Afterburner v2.1.0 and installed it. I did do what you stated by increasing the voltage, and it failed, like I thought it would. However, I took what was working for the 4870 and applied it to the 9870 and it worked just fine. The 4870 has a 750Mhz Core Clock and a 900Mhz Memory Clock. I applied those settings ONLY to the 6870 using the MSI Afterburner. I just finished playing over 2 hours without any issues. I tried using AMD Vision Control, but the setting could not go as low as I needed for both the Core Clock and Memory Clock. I tried the lowest settings using the AMD tool and it crashed after 25 minutes or so...I knew I was headed in the right direction. Therefore, I used the MSI Afterburner to set the lower settings into a Profile that can be saved with the tool. Definitely the lower Mhz on the Core Clock and the Memory Clock worked. I bet it will work for anyone else as well. Don't remove and INI files, or try some other file hack. That just ends up screwing up the integrity of the directory structure. See attachment. Cheers! Have some ale. Brad This worked for me on my Gigabyte 6850, except I used ATI tray tools to underclock the core and memory clocks. The highest I've been able to run the clocks are 790 core and 900 memory (default of 900/1050). AND I have to make sure anti-aliasing is turned OFF (but FXAA-Fast Approximate Ati-Aliasing-can be enabled) and the max I can have anisotropic filtering is 4x. Everything is on high. My other specs are: Asus M4A89TD Pro moboamd Phenom II x6 1090T (oc'ed to 3.6GHz)8GB Micron DDR3 ram Acbel R8 750W PSU The above has 30+ hours played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arethiel Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think this problem lies with ATI cards and their goofy drivers and what not, or maybe it lies in AMD CPUs with ATI/AMD GPUs. I'm not entirely sure and don't have an additional system to test with HOWEVER, I was originally using an ATI 5850 and I didn't have these problems either. My system is below, only thing that has changed is the GPU: Core i7 95012GB DDR3 Corsair RAMAsus Sabertooth X58 Motherboard2x EVGA 580 GTX in SLICorsair 1000HX 1000w PSUWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black HDDWindows 7 64bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voldoman Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think this problem lies with ATI cards and their goofy drivers and what not, or maybe it lies in AMD CPUs with ATI/AMD GPUs. I'm not entirely sure and don't have an additional system to test with HOWEVER, I was originally using an ATI 5850 and I didn't have these problems either. My system is below, only thing that has changed is the GPU: Core i7 95012GB DDR3 Corsair RAMAsus Sabertooth X58 Motherboard2x EVGA 580 GTX in SLICorsair 1000HX 1000w PSUWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black HDDWindows 7 64bit It happens with Nvidia cards as well, it just seems more common with ATI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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