alkaloid27 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 This engine supposedly created from the ground up and specifically for Skyrim and future Elder Scrolls Games, well, it looks and plays like gamebryo to me, or rather, a revised version of Gamebryo for New Vegas. I have to admit that it runs pretty smooth, possibly the most optimized and performance orientated Bethesda game to date (I'm running the game on 4GB DDR2, Dual Core Pentium 3.2 and GTS250; although the launcher set the game to medium, I manually switched to high and set render distances to 3 1/4 and no stutter or slowdown... smooth as silk!), the low-res textures aren't exactly noticeable until you get close up, but NV, FO3 and Oblivion had that same thing. I can't shake the feeling (perhaps it's the metal textures and reflective surfaces) that I am just playing NV circa. 1350. Is it possible that the unnamed buyer of Emergent's assets and libraries was Bethesda? Is the creation engine a re-branding of Gamebryo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic1357890 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 gamebryo's main problems were it looked horrible and it was infested with bugs. neither of which seem to be the case with creation engine. so whats the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soot00 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Huh? What resolution you playing Skyrim on? 640x480?? The new engine looks absolutely fantastic on my 1680x1050 monitor. Huge difference from Oblivion. This new engine has been real stable for me thus far. Already have easily close to 20+ hours of gaming and had just one random CTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James009 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Yeah, I'm not seeing the smoke and mirrors. Looks fantastic, especially the scenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIROryuu Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I'm running 1080p ultra. Game runs smooth but there are glitches. Gameplay mostly. I've had issues with marker locations messing up after I enter and leave a mine, cave etc... Also really odd AI behavior(Two horses stacked on each other. Freezing an enemy, killing him and him walking in place while being a lootable corpse.) Kinda disappointed with all the treads bitching about how the graphics suck, even though they are amazing. Each location awes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 It's still Gamebryo, as for graphics, it's a console port and not a very good one. The game itself is good which is the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueChaoS Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I'm running 1080p ultra. Game runs smooth but there are glitches. Gameplay mostly. I've had issues with marker locations messing up after I enter and leave a mine, cave etc... Also really odd AI behavior(Two horses stacked on each other. Freezing an enemy, killing him and him walking in place while being a lootable corpse.) Kinda disappointed with all the treads bitching about how the graphics suck, even though they are amazing. Each location awes me. I have to agree with this. I've only had a very small amount of issues with the graphics, and those were: The trees still aren't perfect, the water flows directly into and through land, and there was one rendering glitch once where the texture refused to change from low quality "distant" textures to close textures until I quick travelled away and back again. Oh, and viewing things in the distance is still blocky and bad, especially the water. But seriously, I love the graphics, and think it looks amazing. I'm an extreme perfectionist, so all my issues are just little irritants that I personally wish were improved. This new engine has been real stable for me thus far. Already have easily close to 20+ hours of gaming and had just one random CTD. I have 29, nearly 30 hours of gameplay (sad because I've had the game for about 60 hours xD ), and I've only had three random CTDs, which were all caused by background programs deciding to troll me. Edited November 13, 2011 by TrueChaoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkaloid27 Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 gamebryo's main problems were it looked horrible and it was infested with bugs. neither of which seem to be the case with creation engine. so whats the problem? That's not entirely true. There have been many games made with Gamebryo that didn't look horrible and weren't infested with bugs. The main problem with gamebryo was thus Bethesda's inability to work with it in a way which suited their games -- possibly because it was a middleware engine that they had Emergent cater to their needs (as is commonly the case with middleware engines). I already used the word 'revised'. Having full ownership of the engine would have course allow for a more robust usage of it, and I'm sure Bethesda has many employees capable of tweaking the engine code to far more specific levels than what they would have been offered from Emergent's services. Also, let's not forget the vast amount of user created patches and stability mods that improved on what Bethesda had done in the past -- if amateurs could make Oblivion less clunky using the CS, then that says enough about the engine's prior setup, don't you think? Also, think here the copious amount of non-optimized scripts present in all of their games since 2006, broken quests etc, also fixed by the gaming/modding community. I'm not slagging Skyrim down. I'm thoroghly enjoying it and the grade of performance v. visuals is incredible. But let's not be blinded by hype and beauty for a second and look at it under a more objective light. Just because I'm wondering if the engine is new does not immediately mean I have a problem. It means I'm curious about a specific point and wish to discuss it. I'm not complaining and I'm not looking to start a fight with anyone; I don't have an issue with it. It's just a question, and something which is occupying my mind. You can't deny the similarities (the use of .nifs is a pretty big give away; the Nif format was developed for the Gamebryo engine, formerly Netimmerse Engine) -- so, is it a highly revised, extreme overhaul of Gamebryo rather than something actually new. Somebody purchased the engine (or at least the source code and assets relating to it), this is fact. It's not unimaginable that Bethesda would have done this, given the money they have and their familiarity with the tech. When they say 'built from the ground up', they could very easily also mean, rewritten from the ground up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyaTech Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 If your game doesn't look like this you are doing something wrong. http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7753/2011111300022.jpg http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5412/2011111100009.jpg http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8621/2011111200005q.jpg P.S. The creation engine is only a modified version of the gamebryo engine, it's not smoke and mirrors but absolutely old technology mixed with new, it works fine but could have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindekarr Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I'm running the graphics on full-tilt in 1080p resolution... ...the words "awesome" and "dude" rarely eminate from my mouth, but really chaps, THIS GAME LOOKS AWESOME DUDE! I'm especialy a fan of the way streams steam in the morning, and the way snow flurries around the rocks and ledges, it's so realistic(yes I live in alps, I know these things). if you don't beleive me, find a pond, wait till sunrise(4:30) turn EVERYTHING to the max, and then watch the sun rise, it's truly pretty. Same thing goes for the mountains, head up High Hrothgar and watch the snowfall for a bit, it flows around the rocks and follows the terrain. I've a not ingorable bit of experience with aero(albiet I've never wind-tunnel run a mountain) it feels very natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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