jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Sadly, the “writing was on the wall” and it has “begun”. Sadly I can also say, I saw this happening. To start:Remember when Beth/Steam pulled the Skyrim Pay for Mod Stunt?Well, we were warned this sort of 'concept' was going to happen with FO4 and well it did.. Though "not for pay", directly. When they started to sponsor their own Mod Web Site ...Well the writing was already on the wall and now we are seeing it happen with FO4 and Beth. 1 st :Skyrim Pay for Mods were NOT monitored at all. THEFT of mods did happen and Steam and Beth did * NOTHING * - sadly nothing at all.Now I am seeing MODS from Nexus, being taken by other users and posting them on BETH's site WITHOUT PERMISSION from the authors.Case In Point: The Rebel by L0rd0fWarhttp://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10382/? Sadly - Beth will * DO NOTHING *. Why?Sadly they see all mods as “their property” - it's in the EUA.The mods are “technically” and “legally” theirs. So "Technically", someone taking a MOD from NEXUS and loading on Beth's site is NOT STEALING .... it's Beth's mods in the first place so this is all "FAIR" to them. The only way this will change - is * IF * and only *IF*, like with the Skyrim Pay For Skyrim Mods - the End Users / Community has to start a no small protest and starts giving BETH some BAD PR ... then and only then will they likely take a serious step back. Thanks to : The Vampire Dante For posting below the EUA - I honestly made a mistake and admit it. Thanks again! :) To Quote them from the Skyrim Pay For Mod Stunt / Fallout -“We heard you loud and clear.” But - for now, ... well ... the "outrage" has not been sent in clear terms, like with Skyrim Pay For Mods. Not even close. I am sorry this is happening, truly I am .... but .... it was indeed coming and to no surprise to me, is now “here”. BTW - What L0rd0fWar did ... I totally support and understand his stance. I do. I'm sorry this happened to him and other Mod Creators that will begin to see it happen to their mods as well. The thing is, this IS going to happen more and more, because people are seeing Beth is doing nothing about this and thus, more and more MOD CREATORS will stop making MODS ... and thus - FO 4 will, unlike Skyrim and FO NV - FO 3 ... FO 4 will DIE much quicker .. because Beth chooses to shoot themselves in the foot, by stabbing the Mod Creators in the Back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorKaizeld Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Why?Sadly they see all mods as “their property” - it's in the EUA.The mods are “technically” and “legally” theirs.no they arent, go read Darkones post on this in the news section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The best solution, which might bethesda.net intended, is to upload your mod on bethesda.net by yourself. And by paid mod method or some others, they will give you incentive for uploading to the net at some point. Eventually they will have more modders for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 The best solution, which might bethesda.net intended, is to upload your mod on bethesda.net by yourself. And by paid mod method or some others, they will give you incentive for uploading to the net at some point. Eventually they will have more modders for free. But I am now aware, personally of 4 mod creators who have had their work (MODS) taken and uploaded to Beth without the Mod Creator's Permission. The one given, I site, because he has made it public on his mod page and thus the link provided. So the evidence so far is - Beth is doing NOTHING to stop THEFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Why?Sadly they see all mods as “their property” - it's in the EUA.The mods are “technically” and “legally” theirs.no they arent, go read Darkones post on this in the news section You know, I understand "Darkones" post - but the EUA says it quite clearly. So IF this came to a "legal" challenge, the EUA would win and Darkones feelings would lose. . o O (Just saying...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 You know, I understand "Darkones" post - but the EUA says it quite clearly. So IF this came to a "legal" challenge, the EUA would win and Darkones feelings would lose. You seem to have missed the part where they state mods are owned by their authors, and Bethesda has license to make use of them. Bethesda alone, not some third party thief that uploads to their site without permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 You know, I understand "Darkones" post - but the EUA says it quite clearly. So IF this came to a "legal" challenge, the EUA would win and Darkones feelings would lose. You seem to have missed the part where they state mods are owned by their authors, and Bethesda has license to make use of them. Bethesda alone, not some third party thief that uploads to their site without permission. Okay, I may have honestly missed that in the New EUA for FO4. Would kindly paste that from the EUA? Because I missed that and still did not find it. Thanks ... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 The best solution, which might bethesda.net intended, is to upload your mod on bethesda.net by yourself. And by paid mod method or some others, they will give you incentive for uploading to the net at some point. Eventually they will have more modders for free. I have to also add - There are MANY MANY Mod Creators that do NOT load to Steam for various and many reasons. I also know a few that will NOT load to Beth for similar shared reasons. So will their reasons be honored, by Beth - or will Beth continue to allow mods to be loaded by the Non-Creator of said mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Well, that's your problem in their view. I mean, the company is launching it for their benefits. Likely they will equip the net with better proposals, including the promise of better theft management, right before they release next big studio titles. There will be less Nexus-exclusive mods at that point. But still Nexus will be prosperous because (likely) they cannot allow too mature contents like CBBE stuffs. And many modders and users will want to stay in Nexus for own reasons. My point is that it is a part of their business. They aim it to their picture. Edited June 25, 2016 by midtek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Okay, I may have honestly missed that in the New EUA for FO4. Would kindly paste that from the EUA? Because I missed that and still did not find it. Thanks ... :smile: 2. GAME MODS; OWNERSHIP AND LICENSE TO ZENIMAX A. Ownership. As between You and ZeniMax, You are the owner of Your Game Mods and all intellectual property rights therein, subject to the licenses You grant to ZeniMax in this Agreement. You will not permit any third party to download, distribute or use Game Mods developed or created by You for any commercial purpose. B. Notice on Game Mods. All Game Mods must indicate that ZeniMax is not the author of the Game Mods with additional language that "THIS MATERIAL IS NOT MADE, GUARANTEED OR SUPPORTED BY ZENIMAX OR ITS AFFILIATES." C. ZeniMax Game Mod Platforms. You may submit Your Game Mods to one or more of ZeniMax’s platforms as designated or authorized by ZeniMax (collectively, "ZeniMax Platforms").You understand and agree that ZeniMax may, but is not required under this Agreement to, validate, review, evaluate, test or screen Your Game Mods, whether or not You make the Game Mods available to ZeniMax for further distribution by ZeniMax by way of a ZeniMax Platform.You understand and agree that ZeniMax does not sponsor or endorse any Game Mods and You may not state or imply otherwise.If You submit a copy of Your Game Mods to ZeniMax, You agree that ZeniMax may, in its sole discretion, make the Game Mods available for download and use by others, including downloads from the ZeniMax Platforms. Game Mods listed in a ZeniMax Platform can be viewed and downloaded by anyone that has received a license from ZeniMax to the Product. You understand and agree that ZeniMax is not obligated to use, distribute, make available or continue to distribute or make available Your Game Mods on any ZeniMax Platform or otherwise and ZeniMax may, in its sole discretion, restrict access to or remove Your Game Mods from any ZeniMax Platform for any reason or no reason at all. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ZENIMAX DOES NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR GAME MODS OR FOR THE REMOVAL OF ANY GAME MODS OR FOR ANY FAILURE TO OR DELAY IN REMOVING, ANY GAME MODS.In addition, manufacturers of consoles, including without limitation Sony and Microsoft, may refuse to allow individuals to download or use certain Game Mods on the consoles that they manufacture or sell. You may also elect to remove Game Mods from a ZeniMax Platform. If You do so, ZeniMax will no longer make such Game Mods available on such ZeniMax Platform. Notwithstanding the foregoing You agree that (a) ZeniMax may retain a copy of such Game Mods and ZeniMax is not required to delete or destroy all copies of the Game Mods, (b) ZeniMax retains the other rights and licenses granted by You to ZeniMax in this Agreement with respect to such Game Mods, and © Your removal will not affect the rights of any individual who has already downloaded a copy of the Game Mods from such ZeniMax Platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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