sl0thboy Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) So, Perkus Maximus' enchantment perk which added the split enchantment option made it so that i was unable to open up the Arcane Enchanter UI when I selected whether I wanted to enchant single or split, so I decided to go move some mods around and completely messed up my load order, I don't think it was optimal to begin with since I've gotten around 7 CTD's in approximately 60hrs play time. I tried using LOOT to reorder my mods, but the problem still persisted and now, on top of not having fixed the PerMa problem all my armors and weapons' stats have dropped, as well as the arrow damages and I am unable to figure out what I need to change in order to fix my game - hence why I'm making the post. I am not an experienced modder, I only do a modded skyrim run about once a year in the summer when I have time, so i don't know if there are many blatant errors in my mod order or even my selection of mods. I would greatly appreciate if anyone could point out to me whats wrong with my mods (I am using mod organizer). My mods in descending order: - Optimized Vanilla Textures - HD- Hearthfire- Dragonborn- Dawnguard- USLEEP- SKSE- SkyUI- Uncapper- Brawl Bugs Patch- Ruins Clutter improved- Ultimate HD fire effects- HD Enhanced Terrain- S.D.O- SMIM- aMidianBorn Caves and Mines- Immersive Fallen Trees- Fences of Skyrim- High Ivy definition- RUGNAROK- Realistic water two- Transparent wave spray- Skyrim 2016 Terrain Parallax- Project Parallax remastered- Climates Of Tamriel-V- Audio overhaul for skyrim 2- Enhanced Lights and FX - Wet and cold- Ethereal clouds- Quality Snowflakes- Real Ice ALL-IN-ONE- Dawnguard Parallax- Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack- Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors(Dragonborn DLC)- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - UNIQUE ITEMS- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - WEAPONS- RUSTIC WINDOWS - 2K and 1K Textures- RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION- Deadly Spell Impacts- Dawn of the Dawnguard Armor- Dragonbone Armor and Weapons HD by Natterforme- Nightingale Prime HD- Refracting Stalhrim CBBE UNP 7Base with optional transparency- Hanging Moss replacer into plant by Pfuscher- ELECTRIFY- OIL- Skyrim Landscape Overhaul - Stone Walls- Nightingale Pride - Bow and Blade Reincarnation- Killer Keos Skimpy CBBE V2-V3 Armor Replacer -Work In Progress- by Killer Keo- Lockpicking Interface Redone- ShowRaceMenu Precache Killer- ApachiiSkyHair- True Eyes- Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-- BodySlide and Outfit Studio- BODYSLIDE PRESETS- Realistic Ragdolls and Force- HDT Bounce and Jiggles CBBE- RaceMenu- Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS- FNIS - Creature pack- FNIS ANIMATIONS- HDT Physics Extensions- HDT Breast And Butt Physics - TBBP BBP Supported- HDT Equipment - Craftable Weapon Sling- 360 Walk and Run Plus- Female running and walking animation- XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended- Immersive HUD - iHUD- Winter Is Coming - Cloaks- A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads- NetImmerse Override- Immersive Weapons- Immersive Armors- Perkus Maximus - Maximum Perk Overhaul- Even Better Quest Objectives- Amazing Follower Tweaks- Sneak Tools- ABT - Arrows and Bolts Tweaks- PerMa Compatibility and PaMa Patches- Extended UI- moreHUD- VioLens - A Killmove Mod- PerMa - Patch- PerMa Defluffing Perks- Disable Auto-Aim- Move it Dammit for NPC Companions and Followers- Auto Unequip Ammo- Footprints- Realistic Regeneration- Wearable Lanterns- A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget- Immersive Weapons Patches for ABT - Compatibility Project Edited July 2, 2016 by sl0thboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbender800 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Is this your install order or you load order? There is a difference. 7 ctds in 60 hours actually isnt bad at all. Post your load order....the one that has your plugins. Your selection of mods isnt bad. I dont see anything outdated or dangerous on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorFreak Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) definitely his install order. I'm assuming he's using MO since that's the only one that allows you to fiddle with the install order, easily.hdt bounce and jiggles is very explicit about what INSTALL order you need, plus there's a lot of files you need to install from that file section of his.query: "fnis animations" refer to fnis spells, sexy moves, or PCEA2?you're definitely overdoing it by having CBBE as well AND having "HDT Breast And Butt Physics - TBBP BBP Supported" which is completely redundant.and Killer Keos Skimpy CBBE V2-V3 Armor Replacer -Work In Progress- by Killer Keo isn't HDT bouncy at all, as far as i can tell. i honestly haven't tested this but i'm pretty damned sure any armor you put on will eliminate bounce...i suppose you only want the bounce when naked? not sure. I'd definitely recommend Chronotrigger's mod instead.See, the reason i never went with bounce and jiggle is because his install order is different than chronotriggers.* SKSE- Optimized Vanilla Textures - HD* Dawnguard* Hearthfire* Dragonborn- USLEEP- SkyUI- Uncapper- Brawl Bugs Patch- Ruins Clutter improved- Ultimate HD fire effects- HD Enhanced Terrain- S.D.O- SMIM- aMidianBorn Caves and Mines- Immersive Fallen Trees- Fences of Skyrim- High Ivy definition- RUGNAROK- Realistic water two- Transparent wave spray- Skyrim 2016 Terrain Parallax- Project Parallax remastered- Climates Of Tamriel-V- Audio overhaul for skyrim 2- Enhanced Lights and FX- Wet and cold- Ethereal clouds- Quality Snowflakes- Real Ice ALL-IN-ONE- Dawnguard Parallax- Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack- Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors(Dragonborn DLC)- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - UNIQUE ITEMS- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - WEAPONS- RUSTIC WINDOWS - 2K and 1K Textures- RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION- Deadly Spell Impacts- Dawn of the Dawnguard Armor- Dragonbone Armor and Weapons HD by Natterforme- Nightingale Prime HD- Hanging Moss replacer into plant by Pfuscher- ELECTRIFY- OIL- Skyrim Landscape Overhaul - Stone Walls- Nightingale Pride - Bow and Blade Reincarnation * Killer Keos Skimpy CBBE V2-V3 Armor Replacer -Work In Progress- by Killer Keo- Lockpicking Interface Redone- ShowRaceMenu Precache Killer- ApachiiSkyHair- True Eyes X Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-- BodySlide and Outfit Studio- BODYSLIDE PRESETS- Realistic Ragdolls and Force- HDT Bounce and Jiggles CBBE (choose a file in 'update section' of that mod)- RaceMenu- HDT Physics Extensions X HDT Breast And Butt Physics - TBBP BBP Supported- HDT Equipment - Craftable Weapon Sling? missing possible SOS mod and various textures bounce and jiggles author talks about? missing Havok Physics Object (see 'misc files' "Bounce and Jiggles 7.0 - HDT Havok Collisions Object")? missing Bounce and Jiggles 7.6 Required XML Kit (in main files section)? missing bounce and jiggles texture patch of choice? missing possible bounce and jiggles HDT SOS patch- XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended* Refracting Stalhrim CBBE UNP 7Base with optional transparency- Immersive HUD - iHUD- Winter Is Coming - Cloaks- A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads- NetImmerse Override- Immersive Weapons- Immersive Armors- Perkus Maximus - Maximum Perk Overhaul- Even Better Quest Objectives- Amazing Follower Tweaks (there's a new version; see "immersive AFT")- Sneak Tools- ABT - Arrows and Bolts Tweaks- PerMa Compatibility and PaMa Patches- Extended UI- moreHUD- VioLens - A Killmove Mod- PerMa - Patch- PerMa Defluffing Perks- Disable Auto-Aim- Move it Dammit for NPC Companions and Followers- Auto Unequip Ammo- Footprints- Realistic Regeneration- Wearable Lanterns- A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget- Immersive Weapons Patches for ABT - Compatibility Project* Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS* FNIS - Creature pack* FNIS ANIMATIONS ?? (spells or PCEA?)* 360 Walk and Run Plus (not sure if incompatible with fnis but definitely with below)* Female running and walking animation (not sure if incompatible with fnis but definitely with above) definitely look up GamerPoet's wrye bashed patch instructions. I'm guessing your levelled lists are all screwed up. Edited July 3, 2016 by MajorFreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorFreak Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 tested this. my personal preference i guess, but man this bounce and jiggle is crap. go with CBBE. it's default HDT is perfectly fine for bounce and jiggle without all this extra crapola...from what i observed of the naked model (killer keos skimpy is NOT hdt) the mod you're using has extremely little bounce when i use the exaggerated file, compared to the CBBE default. If you still want to go with the bounce and jiggle mod i highly recommend chronotrigger's skimpy armor mod instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl0thboy Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) definitely his install order. I'm assuming he's using MO since that's the only one that allows you to fiddle with the install order, easily. hdt bounce and jiggles is very explicit about what INSTALL order you need, plus there's a lot of files you need to install from that file section of his. query: "fnis animations" refer to fnis spells, sexy moves, or PCEA2? you're definitely overdoing it by having CBBE as well AND having "HDT Breast And Butt Physics - TBBP BBP Supported" which is completely redundant. and Killer Keos Skimpy CBBE V2-V3 Armor Replacer -Work In Progress- by Killer Keo isn't HDT bouncy at all, as far as i can tell. i honestly haven't tested this but i'm pretty damned sure any armor you put on will eliminate bounce...i suppose you only want the bounce when naked? not sure. I'd definitely recommend Chronotrigger's mod instead. See, the reason i never went with bounce and jiggle is because his install order is different than chronotriggers. * SKSE- Optimized Vanilla Textures - HD* Dawnguard* Hearthfire* Dragonborn- USLEEP- SkyUI- Uncapper- Brawl Bugs Patch- Ruins Clutter improved- Ultimate HD fire effects- HD Enhanced Terrain- S.D.O- SMIM- aMidianBorn Caves and Mines- Immersive Fallen Trees- Fences of Skyrim- High Ivy definition- RUGNAROK- Realistic water two- Transparent wave spray- Skyrim 2016 Terrain Parallax- Project Parallax remastered- Climates Of Tamriel-V- Audio overhaul for skyrim 2- Enhanced Lights and FX- Wet and cold- Ethereal clouds- Quality Snowflakes- Real Ice ALL-IN-ONE- Dawnguard Parallax- Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack- Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors(Dragonborn DLC)- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - UNIQUE ITEMS- aMidianBorn Book of Silence - WEAPONS- RUSTIC WINDOWS - 2K and 1K Textures- RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION- Deadly Spell Impacts- Dawn of the Dawnguard Armor- Dragonbone Armor and Weapons HD by Natterforme- Nightingale Prime HD- Hanging Moss replacer into plant by Pfuscher- ELECTRIFY- OIL- Skyrim Landscape Overhaul - Stone Walls- Nightingale Pride - Bow and Blade Reincarnation * Killer Keos Skimpy CBBE V2-V3 Armor Replacer -Work In Progress- by Killer Keo- Lockpicking Interface Redone- ShowRaceMenu Precache Killer- ApachiiSkyHair- True Eyes X Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-- BodySlide and Outfit Studio- BODYSLIDE PRESETS- Realistic Ragdolls and Force- HDT Bounce and Jiggles CBBE (choose a file in 'update section' of that mod)- RaceMenu- HDT Physics Extensions X HDT Breast And Butt Physics - TBBP BBP Supported- HDT Equipment - Craftable Weapon Sling? missing possible SOS mod and various textures bounce and jiggles author talks about? missing Havok Physics Object (see 'misc files' "Bounce and Jiggles 7.0 - HDT Havok Collisions Object")? missing Bounce and Jiggles 7.6 Required XML Kit (in main files section)? missing bounce and jiggles texture patch of choice? missing possible bounce and jiggles HDT SOS patch- XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended* Refracting Stalhrim CBBE UNP 7Base with optional transparency- Immersive HUD - iHUD- Winter Is Coming - Cloaks- A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads- NetImmerse Override- Immersive Weapons- Immersive Armors- Perkus Maximus - Maximum Perk Overhaul- Even Better Quest Objectives- Amazing Follower Tweaks (there's a new version; see "immersive AFT")- Sneak Tools- ABT - Arrows and Bolts Tweaks- PerMa Compatibility and PaMa Patches- Extended UI- moreHUD- VioLens - A Killmove Mod- PerMa - Patch- PerMa Defluffing Perks- Disable Auto-Aim- Move it Dammit for NPC Companions and Followers- Auto Unequip Ammo- Footprints- Realistic Regeneration- Wearable Lanterns- A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget- Immersive Weapons Patches for ABT - Compatibility Project* Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS* FNIS - Creature pack* FNIS ANIMATIONS ?? (spells or PCEA?)* 360 Walk and Run Plus (not sure if incompatible with fnis but definitely with below)* Female running and walking animation (not sure if incompatible with fnis but definitely with above) definitely look up GamerPoet's wrye bashed patch instructions. I'm guessing your levelled lists are all screwed up. Thank you very much appreciate it, and 'FNIS ANIMATIONS' is for PCEA2 Edited July 3, 2016 by sl0thboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl0thboy Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 Is this your install order or you load order? There is a difference. 7 ctds in 60 hours actually isnt bad at all. Post your load order....the one that has your plugins. Your selection of mods isnt bad. I dont see anything outdated or dangerous on there. Its both my install order as well as load order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorFreak Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 you're welcome. hmmm...PCEA2 is very powerful in it's functionality. read up on how to manually insert your chosen animation mods into it's folder system (that way you can activate via MCM)...that way you can remove the 'mods' and stick with the internal pcea2 options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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