Lutine Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker. Only if they knowingly provide a thief. It's normally their job to provide such things to people who inquire, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker.The issue with that is you are assuming every single torrent is used for illegal purposes, so no. Torrents are not used for illegal purposes in every case and its not really fair to take down sites due to the use of torrents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker. Only if they knowingly provide a thief. It's normally their job to provide such things to people who inquire, no?Pleading ignorance to a felony conspiracy is not going to help much at trial, I was not referring to the County Planning office but a third party who utilized their facilities to point the thief in the correct direction to accomplish the theft. Edited January 17, 2012 by Aurielius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutine Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker. Only if they knowingly provide a thief. It's normally their job to provide such things to people who inquire, no?Pleading ignorance to a felony conspiracy is not going to help much at trial, I was not referring to the County Planning office but a third party who utilized their facilities to point he thief in the correct direction to accomplish the theft.Yeah, I thought you were referring to the County Planning office.The analogy makes more sense now. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker.Lets pose another analogy. jujitsu teacher teaches someone jujitsu. that someone uses that to break someone neck. Jujitsu teacher is teaching people how to break necks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutine Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker.Lets pose another analogy. jujitsu teacher teaches someone jujitsu. that someone uses that to break someone neck. Jujitsu teacher is teaching people how to break necks. You have to sign a contract saying that you must be responsible for your actions, they are not responsible, etc before they can teach you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhamaria Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker. In Sweden a well-known torrent site has been using a very similar analogy.I'm shortening it down, but in essence it's the same."If someone ask you for directions to a store, you give them to him. He goes and steals stuff. Not your fault" When it comes to giant corporations and stealing. That's more or less what thoes very same corporations are doing. Take an artist. He barely sees any percentage of the money made from his/er creation. Neither does the producers etc. When a corporation is whining about theft of their property it just rings hollow to me. If the artist complain about it, that's another matter. But why would s/he? The corporation is already robbing him/er blind. Point being corporations makes money on others in not always acceptable ways. The internet plays a massive role in todays economy and the corporations know that. SOPA (etc) is good business.The internet also provides means to publish yourself and your creation, cutting out major corporations. This is a threat to their business. Corporations do everything they can to eliminate competition.While they're at it (the corporations), why not also push a law through that allows them to directly control and manipulate the world bank etc just incase the janitor is listening to illegaly acquired mp3's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker.Lets pose another analogy. jujitsu teacher teaches someone jujitsu. that someone uses that to break someone neck. Jujitsu teacher is teaching people how to break necks. You have to sign a contract saying that you must be responsible for your actions, they are not responsible, etc before they can teach you. how is that different from a TOS on a website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutine Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let us pose an analogy, you want to steal a gemstone owned by a business, so you go to someone who provides you with the plans to the business premises in question, locating just where it is. You get caught in the aftermath of the heist and during interrogation you give up your plan provider. That person will be arrested and charged with being an assessory before the fact of a felony. When time comes for a trial he can plead that the plans were on file for all to see at the county planning office but the odds are he will do time. You can dress up stealing all you want with the clothes of free speech but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less a porker.Lets pose another analogy. jujitsu teacher teaches someone jujitsu. that someone uses that to break someone neck. Jujitsu teacher is teaching people how to break necks. You have to sign a contract saying that you must be responsible for your actions, they are not responsible, etc before they can teach you. how is that different from a TOS on a website? Legally binding document.Those teachers have to hold a license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 MA teachers do not require some special state issued MA teacher license. AFAIK there is no such thing. They require insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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