Boycott Beth.net

[lelcat]

You are mixing things up. Paid mods are mods that a modder can decide to put a price tag on. That is not the same as every mod being forced to be paid, or the Bethesda site being the only site for every mod in existence.

If a mod is going to be paid, it will go through Bethesda.net. Because they provide the infrastructure for that. But that does not mean unpaid mods will be forced to be on Bethesda.

 

What do you want? A communist society where chairman Mitigate decides what is allowed to be bought? I think the free market where everyone can decide what to buy with his own money.

 

And there is nothing wrong with season passes. Absolutely nothing. You can buy a season pass early, putting your trust into the hope that the quality of the mods, that are not released yet will be good. And the price is discounted compared to buying each piece on its own. Again, you have the free choice to do it. I bouight the season pass because from previous Fallout games I was confident about the quality.

[lelcat]

Also Dark0ne, I replied to your post in a private message.

[Reneer]

The Nexus is making money off of advertising, it does not charge for downloading mods. It also doesn't put any limitations on mods, users or authors. Bethesda has split the community before by charging for the downloading of mods. Mods that may or may not be utter garbage. You don't even have any mod files up. And who says when you do, they wont be garbage? 95% of the mods on the Nexus are garbage, yet there is no issue because they're free. Donating is a superior system. Not all mod authors deserve reward for their efforts. Only the good ones. I have about 50 un-endorsed mods that have turned out to be rubbish and did not live up to their descriptions. That would have been a lot of wasted money.

 

There is no flaw in my logic here.

Nexus most certainly puts limitations on mod authors. Go read the Nexus ToS sometime, specifically the "Rules of adding/uploading/sharing content" section.

 

And no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy paid mods. You would just not be able to get all that free stuff that you seem to think is "95% garbage" anymore.

 

And you want to play the "what have you contributed" card? Go check out what I've made for Bethesda games over the last decade. My mods may not appeal to your tastes, perhaps, and they certainly aren't as popular as Arthmoor's, but you won't get to play the "what have you made" card with me.

 

And here's a nail for your logic: paid mod systems allow for refunds. So all those "garbage" mods you paid for? You can just get a refund. Like when you buy a bad video game from a store or Steam. Don't like it? Refund. Doesn't work? Refund. Simple as that.

 

If you think they've given up on paid mods (your earlier post suggests you fully expect them) then you're naive. The fact they ever tried at all shows how disconnected they are from the community they supposedly care about...

What mods have you made on bethesda.net? I would like to judge their quality.

Again with the "what have you made" card.

 

How is donating not a superior system? I donate to all the mod authors who's work I use the most. It's called the honour system. It's how people avoid being controlled and losing nice things. By conducting themselves properly in the first place.

I can't think of a major website (including the Nexus) that functions totally off of donations. Work is work. Work at your job or work at your hobby. Either way you should be able to sell the work that you created for a price you think is reasonable. If your job doesn't pay you what you think your effort is worth, you find another job where they pay you more. If someone doesn't want to buy your mod for a dollar then they simply don't buy it. If a mod author wants to give away their work for free, they can. If a mod author wants to put a price tag on their work, they should be able to do that, too.

 

I have shown that bethesda.net has already harmed the community. You have yet to show me how bethesda.net has helped it.

Bethesda.net has helped the community by bringing in hundreds of thousands of console players who didn't have access to mods until now. And if you don't think that's a benefit, well, I doubt there's much I could say to convince you otherwise.

 

The free market doesn't work. Too many idiots buying everything even though they shouldn't so things don't actually improve. Day 1 DLC and season passes come to mind. They are clearly bad ideas yet they aren't going away.

Yes, too many idiots in the world. That must be why (capitalist) market economies are instituted in pretty much every country and why video game season passes work.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Reneer

[CiderMuffin]

Yeeea a boycott won't happen.

[Mitigate]

 

 

The Nexus is making money off of advertising, it does not charge for downloading mods. It also doesn't put any limitations on mods, users or authors. Bethesda has split the community before by charging for the downloading of mods. Mods that may or may not be utter garbage. You don't even have any mod files up. And who says when you do, they wont be garbage? 95% of the mods on the Nexus are garbage, yet there is no issue because they're free. Donating is a superior system. Not all mod authors deserve reward for their efforts. Only the good ones. I have about 50 un-endorsed mods that have turned out to be rubbish and did not live up to their descriptions. That would have been a lot of wasted money.

There is no flaw in my logic here.

Nexus most certainly puts limitations on mod authors. Go read the Nexus ToS sometime, specifically the "Rules of adding/uploading/sharing content" section.

And no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy paid mods. You would just not be able to get all that free stuff that you seem to think is "95% garbage" anymore.

And you want to play the "what have you contributed" card? Go check out what I've made for Bethesda games over the last decade. My mods may not appeal to your tastes, perhaps, and they certainly aren't as popular as Arthmoor's, but you won't get to play the "what have you made" card with me.

And here's a nail for your logic: paid mod systems allow for refunds. So all those "garbage" mods you paid for? You can just get a refund. Like when you buy a bad video game from a store or Steam. Don't like it? Refund. Doesn't work? Refund. Simple as that.

If you think they've given up on paid mods (your earlier post suggests you fully expect them) then you're naive. The fact they ever tried at all shows how disconnected they are from the community they supposedly care about...
What mods have you made on bethesda.net? I would like to judge their quality.

Again with the "what have you made" card. You seem to be relying on it a bit.

How is donating not a superior system? I donate to all the mod authors who's work I use the most. It's called the honour system. It's how people avoid being controlled and losing nice things. By conducting themselves properly in the first place.

If donating was a superior system, why is pretty much every country in the world not practicing it? I can't think of a major website (including the Nexus) that functions totally off of donations. Work is work. Work at your job or work at your hobby. Either way you should be able to sell the work that you created for a price you think is reasonable. If your job doesn't pay you what you think your effort is worth, you find another job where they pay you more. If someone doesn't want to buy your mod for a dollar then they simply don't buy it. If a mod author wants to give away their work for free, they can. If a mod author wants to put a price tag on their work, they should be able to do that, too.

I have shown that bethesda.net has already harmed the community. You have yet to show me how bethesda.net has helped it.

Bethesda.net has helped the community by bringing in hundreds of thousands of console players who didn't have access to mods until now. And if you don't think that's a benefit, well, I doubt there's much I could say to convince you otherwise.

The free market doesn't work. Too many idiots buying everything even though they shouldn't so things don't actually improve. Day 1 DLC and season passes come to mind. They are clearly bad ideas yet they aren't going away.

Yes, too many idiots in the world. That must be why (capitalist) market economies are instituted in pretty much every country and why video game season passes work.

 

Consoles and their plights are completely irrelevant to this discussion. Their ability to use mods is NOT a pro for bethesda.net when it comes to the PC community.

Decent people in every country DO donate. Also just because capitalism has infected the entire globe, doesn't mean it's a good thing.

My concern is that so far, bethesda.net has only harmed this community. Just like the company did last time with paid mods. I see no pros for it's existence and no reason any PC gamer should support or use it. While I cannot and would not stop anyone from using the service, I believe you're just shooting yourselves, and the rest of us in the foot by doing so.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Mitigate

[MasterMagnus]

 

2. I do have released mods. On Bethesda.

 

 

Off topic, I know. Can you link these? You go as "straycat" on Bethesda.net but Bethesda.net doesn't seem to have a "search by author" functionality that I can actually find. I'd be interested to know what you've made.

 

I'm kind of wondering why you're on the Nexus, lelcat. You registered less than a month ago and talk as though you've been in this community a lot longer. What other username's have you gone by? It seems disingenuous to go around spreading bile under what is obviously an alt account. So come on, pull away the mask and show us where the hate comes from.

 

 

 

My links are in my sig if you're starting to build files on dissenters that have their mods on Bethesda.

 

I only registered a month or two before Beth mods were released also.

 

Why so scared of a little cat?

[Reneer]

Consoles and their plights are completely irrelevant to this discussion. Their ability to use mods is NOT a pro for bethesda.net when it comes to the PC community.

You asked why people use Bethesda.net. For me, I use it because I want console users to be able to enjoy my mods. It's that simple. If Nexus (in an alternate reality) allowed that kind of functionality, I wouldn't use Bethesda.net. It's that simple for me.

 

Decent people in every country DO donate. Also just because capitalism has infected the entire globe, doesn't mean it's a good thing.

And yet everyone actually gets paid because of capitalist-style market economies, where organizations and people are free to set the prices of the goods they produce. If they want to create a non-profit, they can. If they want to create a for-profit, they can. That's all (some) mod authors are asking for when it comes to allowing paid mods: the ability to take a risk and see if it pays off for us.

 

My concern is that so far, bethesda.net has only harmed this community. Just like they did last time with paid mods. I see no pros for it's existence and no reason any PC gamer should support or use it. While I cannot and would not stop anyone from using the service, I believe you're just shooting yourselves, and the rest of us in the foot by doing so.

While you may not see providing mods to console users as a "pro" for Bethesda.net, I do. And so do many other mod authors. So you can not support it all you want, but I'm going to continue to do so.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Reneer

[lelcat]

 

 

 

The Nexus is making money off of advertising, it does not charge for downloading mods. It also doesn't put any limitations on mods, users or authors. Bethesda has split the community before by charging for the downloading of mods. Mods that may or may not be utter garbage. You don't even have any mod files up. And who says when you do, they wont be garbage? 95% of the mods on the Nexus are garbage, yet there is no issue because they're free. Donating is a superior system. Not all mod authors deserve reward for their efforts. Only the good ones. I have about 50 un-endorsed mods that have turned out to be rubbish and did not live up to their descriptions. That would have been a lot of wasted money.

 

There is no flaw in my logic here.

Nexus most certainly puts limitations on mod authors. Go read the Nexus ToS sometime, specifically the "Rules of adding/uploading/sharing content" section.

 

And no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy paid mods. You would just not be able to get all that free stuff that you seem to think is "95% garbage" anymore.

 

And you want to play the "what have you contributed" card? Go check out what I've made for Bethesda games over the last decade. My mods may not appeal to your tastes, perhaps, and they certainly aren't as popular as Arthmoor's, but you won't get to play the "what have you made" card with me.

 

And here's a nail for your logic: paid mod systems allow for refunds. So all those "garbage" mods you paid for? You can just get a refund. Like when you buy a bad video game from a store or Steam. Don't like it? Refund. Doesn't work? Refund. Simple as that.

 

If you think they've given up on paid mods (your earlier post suggests you fully expect them) then you're naive. The fact they ever tried at all shows how disconnected they are from the community they supposedly care about...

What mods have you made on bethesda.net? I would like to judge their quality.

Again with the "what have you made" card. You seem to be relying on it a bit.

 

How is donating not a superior system? I donate to all the mod authors who's work I use the most. It's called the honour system. It's how people avoid being controlled and losing nice things. By conducting themselves properly in the first place.

If donating was a superior system, why is pretty much every country in the world not practicing it? I can't think of a major website (including the Nexus) that functions totally off of donations. Work is work. Work at your job or work at your hobby. Either way you should be able to sell the work that you created for a price you think is reasonable. If your job doesn't pay you what you think your effort is worth, you find another job where they pay you more. If someone doesn't want to buy your mod for a dollar then they simply don't buy it. If a mod author wants to give away their work for free, they can. If a mod author wants to put a price tag on their work, they should be able to do that, too.

 

I have shown that bethesda.net has already harmed the community. You have yet to show me how bethesda.net has helped it.

Bethesda.net has helped the community by bringing in hundreds of thousands of console players who didn't have access to mods until now. And if you don't think that's a benefit, well, I doubt there's much I could say to convince you otherwise.

 

The free market doesn't work. Too many idiots buying everything even though they shouldn't so things don't actually improve. Day 1 DLC and season passes come to mind. They are clearly bad ideas yet they aren't going away.

Yes, too many idiots in the world. That must be why (capitalist) market economies are instituted in pretty much every country and why video game season passes work.

 

Consoles and their plights are completely irrelevant to this discussion. Their ability to use mods is NOT a pro for bethesda.net when it comes to the PC community.

 

Decent people in every country DO donate. Also just because capitalism has infected the entire globe, doesn't mean it's a good thing.

 

My concern is that so far, bethesda.net has only harmed this community. Just like the company did last time with paid mods. I see no pros for it's existence and no reason any PC gamer should support or use it. While I cannot and would not stop anyone from using the service, I believe you're just shooting yourselves, and the rest of us in the foot by doing so.

 

 

 

 

1. A console player is as good as a pc player. They are both customers to my mods. And if I look at the numbers, I got 10x more attention on XBOX than I got on PC. Also on a side note, after I started praising bethesda in a heated forum topic on here, and when someone asked me to link my mods, it went from 13 votes at near 5 stars to 17 at 3 stars. Talk about passive agressive.

I have never seen an Xbox1 up close but XBOX users are my best friends.

 

 

Decent people in every country DO donate. Also just because capitalism has infected the entire globe, doesn't mean it's a good thing.

2. Just stop with the pretend-anticapitalism. The clothes you wear and the computer you play games on and Fallout 4 were all created in societies that have a free market economy. You like money just live everyone else.

 

 

 

My concern is that so far, bethesda.net has only harmed this community. Just like the company did last time with paid mods. I see no pros for it's existence and no reason any PC gamer should support or use it. While I cannot and would not stop anyone from using the service, I believe you're just shooting yourselves, and the rest of us in the foot by doing so.

Bethesda.net empowered the community. I can host and browse mods on their site without ads (my firefox browser makes my amd cpu choke all the time on ad-intensive sites). And I can browse and download mods in a seamless ingame interface. You see about the free market thing again: Nexus has a right to exist and make a business of hosting mods, but hating on Bethesda for doing their own thing so they don't just leave all the revenue for hosting to a 3rd party site is just stupid.

[JaYmZeE311074]

Magic of the free market - are you kidding me?

 

Adam Smith's invisible hand of the market may have been valid 200 years ago - now look where it has got us - inefficiency is the norm, shoddy goods with planned obsolecence - things made on the other side of the world then shipped 12000 miles rather than being made near the demand the collapse of capitalism and whatever system were using now is being propped up by appalling Central Banks and debt of the individual.

 

Sorry - don't agree with your take on the subjects covered in this thread and I can't have you using crap like "Magic of the free market" - there is nothing magic or free about it and your completely delusional if you believe there is.

 

I refer you to the Zeitgeist movement, Culture in Decline - or a very apt and superbly written TV program currently aired by USA - "Mr. Robot"

[lelcat]

Magic of the free market - are you kidding me?

 

Adam Smith's invisible hand of the market may have been valid 200 years ago - now look where it has got us - inefficiency is the norm, shoddy goods with planned obsolecence - things made on the other side of the world then shipped 12000 miles rather than being made near the demand the collapse of capitalism and whatever system were using now is being propped up by appalling Central Banks and debt of the individual.

 

Sorry - don't agree with your take on the subjects covered in this thread and I can't have you using crap like "Magic of the free market" - there is nothing magic or free about it and your completely delusional if you believe there is.

 

I refer you to the Zeitgeist movement, Culture in Decline - or a very apt and superbly written TV program currently aired by USA - "Mr. Robot"

 

When I say magic of the free market I mean that a customer can choose what to buy and a producer can choose what to produce. That does not necessarily mean I do or do not support absolutely everything in the free market. As you might be aware, the free market society is different in every country.

Reality check. I have not watched Mr Robot yet. But you are aware the show's producers make serious $ and so do the actors?

 

 

And yes, there is a base line of magic in the free market. You can decide to sell something at any price you want and the customer can decide if he wants to pay for it. Then the price of that thing will get adjusted until both parties have a reasonable price.

Edited July 15, 2016 by lelcat