Pc Build ?

[hamaBit]

I'm building a PC right now.

 

Pc Specs :

 

MOBO : MSI H170A Gaming Pro.

 

CPU : Intel I7-4770 up to 3.9 GHz-8 Mo cache.

 

RAM : 16 GB Corsair Vengeance 2400 MHz DDR4.

 

1 TB HDD + 240 GB SSD.

 

GPU : MSI NVIDIA GTX 970 4GB.

 

PSU : 500W Corsair CX 600

 

So what do you think guys,Is it a good PC ?

[TheMastersSon]

Good for what? Without a list of what games you're looking to play, and whether you want any kind of future-proofing etc, it's impossible to judge.

 

IMO your system will be fine for most current and virtually all past games, at either full or compromised display qualities, depending on age and title.

 

Also VR is already setting new standards for immersion and fun, and within a year or two nobody will be interested in much of anything that's non-VR. The 970 isn't enough to handle it, in fact the cutoff in many VR specs so far has been the 980Ti and up, not even the 980 is supported.

 

Even with these limitations your system sounds pretty decent imo.

[iXenite]

That motherboard is designed to be used with Skylake CPUs, not Haswell CPUs. I'm assuming that CPU you chose simply will not work with it. Also, unless you plan on doing a lot of multi-tasking and other CPU demanding tasks like video editing or something like that, you do not need an i7 CPU. They have no impact on gaming performance, an i5 will do just fine. Pick up an i5 6500 instead. The motherboard will be fine if you pick up an i5 6500 (a Skylake CPU).

 

Linking what type of HDD and SSD might be helpful. The make of those can be important, as are the speeds of the HDDs (faster is better). If you have a CX 600 PSU from Corsair then you do not have a 500 Watt PSU, you have a 600 Watt PSU. That is what the 600 means.

 

Please use PCPartPicker to help you with your build, and help you identify what is compatible with what. Plus, it makes sharing your build a lot easier. Budget is also something you should share. A budget is helpful to know so everyone knows whether or not it is okay to suggest alternatives that may cost more. That or someone could help you save even more money.

 

PCPartPicker:

http://pcpartpicker.com/

 

 

 

Good for what? Without a list of what games you're looking to play, and whether you want any kind of future-proofing etc, it's impossible to judge.

 

IMO your system will be fine for most current and virtually all past games, at either full or compromised display qualities, depending on age and title.

 

Also VR is already setting new standards for immersion and fun, and within a year or two nobody will be interested in much of anything that's non-VR. The 970 isn't enough to handle it, in fact the cutoff in many VR specs so far has been the 980Ti and up, not even the 980 is supported.

 

Even with these limitations your system sounds pretty decent imo.

 

 

I have never once heard anyone complain about a GTX 970 not being good enough for VR. Most pre-builts that are advertised as "VR Ready" have GTX 970's. Also, the OP never mentioned VR. They may not even be interested in it.

[FMod]

(Dang, forgot to send the post)

Not quite good, needs adjustments.

 

First of all, it won't work. The 4770 is an old CPU for Z97 etc, not H170. Get an i5-6500 or 6600K. (Or the 6700 if money is no object.)

Alternately, if you want to run Windows 7, get a LGA 1150 motherboard for the same CPU, it will use H97 or Z97.

 

Second, the GTX 970 is currently (albeit very recently) outdated. Both Radeon RX480 and GTX 1060 are better for ~same price.

 

Third, it's better to link the actual parts you plan to buy, if you're ordering online. Most people here use pcpartpicker lists.

[TheMastersSon]

I have never once heard anyone complain about a GTX 970 not being good enough for VR. Most pre-builts that are advertised as "VR Ready" have GTX 970's. Also, the OP never mentioned VR. They may not even be interested in it.

My comments were in regard to future-proofing (i.e. "within a year or two"). A 970 is fine for today's headsets, upcoming 4K VR headsets will be 120Hz instead of the current 90. Also, Pascal adds specific VR features in hardware (single-pass stereo etc) not found on Maxwell. "Unsupported" refers to these features.

 

Note the "1060 or better" minimum spec for desktop VR here:

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/vr/system-requirements

 

Again it's not meant to disparage the OP's system, only to point out the 970's limited potential for future-proofing. At this point it provides close to none.

Edited July 21, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[FMod]

Yes, getting a 1060 is a much better choice right now. If that's too hard to get, the RX 480 is also a better choice than the 970.

 

That said, just because someone sometime plans to release 4K/120Hz headsets doesn't mean every PC that can't drive them is worthless. You realize that even a GTX1080 can't drive 4K/120/stereo either, right? A single 1080 can ba-a-arely scrape by in plain 4K/60Hz. For 4K/120/stereo, you'll need at a minimum 3x1080Ti.

 

That or games with abstract graphics, and thus no requirements whatsoever, other than the card having the right output port.

 

 

 

Also, a more general digression:

Also VR is already setting new standards for immersion and fun, and within a year or two nobody will be interested in much of anything that's non-VR.

Have to strongly disagree.

 

This isn't the first time VR has come in fashion. Remember those 1990s VR goggles? I do. Before you say it's different this time - of course it is different every time, but in more fundamental ways, it isn't.

 

While the technical capability to produce visuals has gotten better, the ironic thing is that more than half the VR titles today use non-realistic graphics. Cartoonish, untextured, iIntentionally primitive, or outright abstract - and not for performance reasons.

 

The most popular titles on this site are Bethesda games, and VR Skyrim, while possible, is nothing more than Skyrim in goggles. Most of the really major titles, the kind of games you spend a hundred hours in before you decide whether to go hardcore, want nothing to do with VR.

 

 

In fact, it's in large part the very ability to abstract that makes video gaming so popular. To cross an island in 20 minutes instead of 80 hours, defeat enemies with buttons, command armies with mouse clicks, hire guild members with one line rather than a pound of paperwork.

 

VR, by its very nature, is about removing one or two major elements of abstraction. This definitely has its niche, but it also severely restricts what you can do with the other elements. E.g., for strategy games, where you're floating above the battlefield issuing orders and drinking coffee, VR is at best of zero benefit, at worst it makes you rest your coffee cup on your mechanical keyboard.

 

So it's far more likely to be the exact opposite: within a year or two the novelty will wear off and the enthusiast crowd - the only ones currently interested in VR to begin with - will get bored with flinging their controllers about in a motion that supposedly approximates something supposedly real - and look to the next fad. This iteration of VR will conquer its small niche, for everyone else it will just be one type of stereo goggles.

 

 

As to why I call it "this iteration or VR" rather than just "VR" - because the early 1990s are only one of the recent iterations, but far from the first foray into this territory...

 

 

[TheMastersSon]

You realize that even a GTX1080 can't drive 4K/120/stereo either, right? A single 1080 can ba-a-arely scrape by in plain 4K/60Hz. For 4K/120/stereo, you'll need at a minimum 3x1080Ti.

Very true and it's exactly why single-pass stereo was developed. All 9-series cards can do it but only Pascal does it in hardware, as far as I've read.

[TheMastersSon]

FMod, I agree with many of your comments but imo they're relevant to current VR, which is neither yesterday's nor tomorrow's VR. All I can tell you is that I personally don't know anyone who has gone back to sit-and-stare-into-a-monitor, once they've experienced roomscale VR. It's a literal 15-foot holodeck in your house.

 

BTW for those unaware, the story is that SLI was intentionally disabled on the 1060, because two or more them provided too much bang for the buck and would have undercut 1070/80 sales. So if you're looking for SLI even in the future stay away from the 1060.

Edited July 21, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[hamaBit]

That motherboard is designed to be used with Skylake CPUs, not Haswell CPUs. I'm assuming that CPU you chose simply will not work with it. Also, unless you plan on doing a lot of multi-tasking and other CPU demanding tasks like video editing or something like that, you do not need an i7 CPU. They have no impact on gaming performance, an i5 will do just fine. Pick up an i5 6500 instead. The motherboard will be fine if you pick up an i5 6500 (a Skylake CPU).

 

Linking what type of HDD and SSD might be helpful. The make of those can be important, as are the speeds of the HDDs (faster is better). If you have a CX 600 PSU from Corsair then you do not have a 500 Watt PSU, you have a 600 Watt PSU. That is what the 600 means.

 

Please use PCPartPicker to help you with your build, and help you identify what is compatible with what. Plus, it makes sharing your build a lot easier. Budget is also something you should share. A budget is helpful to know so everyone knows whether or not it is okay to suggest alternatives that may cost more. That or someone could help you save even more money.

 

PCPartPicker:

http://pcpartpicker.com/

 

 

 

-That's exactly what I thought mate , I mean this build is just useless, actually I was going to buy it.I didn't build it myself.The person who built this PC is just so stupid and unfamiliar with computer building.Thanks for giving me the website too,I never heard of it before and sadly it doesn't support my country.

Edited July 21, 2016 by hamaBit

[hamaBit]

 

 

Second, the GTX 970 is currently (albeit very recently) outdated. Both Radeon RX480 and GTX 1060 are better for ~same price.

 

Third, it's better to link the actual parts you plan to buy, if you're ordering online. Most people here use pcpartpicker lists.

 

Agree with you here , I think I'll save more money and wait for nvidia to drop the price of gtx 1070 after the summer.

 

I'm not ordering online , my country is not supported or whatever.I will use this site only to check incompatibility issues.

Edited July 21, 2016 by hamaBit