Why do PC gamers look past all of the greatness in Skyrim?

[Karasuman]

I agree with Pavy. Simply because one is satisfied or points out what Skyrim gets "right", one can make an equally dense list of things it gets "wrong":

 

1. PC UI is inefficient and awful

2. The game uses the same formula as Oblivion but with fewer options (see numbers 3 - 6)

3. Considerably less spells

4. No spell-making

5. The disappearance of more armor slots

6. Fewer enchantments/Limited to certain enchantments on certain types of gear

7. Can't use Keyboard/Controller simultaneously

8. Complete removal of attributes

 

There are apparently those who are perfectly fine with having fewer and fewer options, and more and more limits put in-game as the series progresses. I'm not one of them. I don't believe I or anyone is "entitled" to have the game made their way, but at the same time, whether someone thinks the game is the most awesome thing ever, or someone else does not, the arguments of both sides are equally valid. If someone really likes a game, I guess it's convenient to just say that those who don't are "splitting hairs" or they're just "bitching about whatever."

 

If someone likes the game, great. Give me some good reasons as to why those things were axed from the game and maybe I'll like it a bit more. Many of the omissions I mentioned above didn't need to be made and do add up to make me (and others) like Skyrim less. It's that simple. If it makes someone else enjoy the game more, well good for them.

Edited November 21, 2011 by Karasuman

[dsc138]

My only problem with skyrim is the UI :wallbash: other then that, im having a blast playing this game...its awesome. :thumbsup:

 

 

I agree the ui is well yeah you know it'll take time to get used to but don't think ill ever care for it..

 

 

As for people who complain about mods i love them i spend 50+ on a game and beet it within a week or whatever i want more so that my money was worth going away instead of feeling like i wasted it.

[soot00]

1. PC UI is inefficient and awful

 

Really comes down to hardware. I have sympathy to those using a standard 2 button mouse and single keyboard cause I was in this bracket years ago. Fortunately due to my past "World of Warcraft" gaming days, a programmable mouse with multiple buttons that can be set up as hotkeys alongside a N52 TE Game pad controller which supplies me another extra 10 buttons programmable to any hotkey and is accessed just for my Thumb was pretty much a must have for WOW Arena, Battlegrounds or pvp in general. This setup carried over and works wonders in Skyrim, :biggrin:

[Moonlightsong]

I understand that the game isn't perfect. But name one game that tries to do what TES does and does it better than Skyrim?

If you don't like something, that's fine. When a UI mod comes out I will be first in line to dl it. However, I've read reviews that went on and on about how the game feels like a PC port, and pointing out every minor glitch as if Bethesda's designers and programmers threw it together half heartedly.

 

The fact of the matter is that no blockbuster video game will ever be developed primarily for the PC in the foreseeable future. PC gamers are a minority in the market. I even buy most games for my Xbox, however with games like TES series, Mass Effect, GTA I purchase them on my PC to reduce load times, increase graphics and be able to apply nude mods. ;D

 

I've been gaming since the 2D era... Some shitty games have been released that deserve s***. But Skyrim is not one of them. Skyrim definitely raised the bar for open world RPGs in every respect.

 

Oblivion was mediocre, mods made it great. However Skirym is great, and mods will only improve that greatness.

 

EDIT: Remember, games are made on a budget. You can't expect a complete universe with unlimited freedom, that is just unreasonable. Now we can create armor and weapons and cook food, we can enchant...So yeah, minor sacrifices were made, but they were an expense for other new things.

[leewells]

I hear so many PC gamers and reviewers who nit pick minor details of Skyrim to complain... Meanwhile, there are so many great things and details within the game. Why are PC gamers so ungrateful? We get a construction kit that will enable us to recreate the game a million different ways, we essentially get complete control over Skyrim.

I have been gaming for a long time... There are a lot of games that don't live up to the hype, but Skyrim has literally amazed me.

 

You haven't played many PC games have you? *snicker*

 

Skyrim is by far one of the best games out there, but like most, it is buggy and Bethesda is once again dragging their feet on the Creation Kit. Releasing a buggy game and a kit that allows you to fix said bugs is one thing, but releasing a game with bugs that make the game unplayable all the while failing a promise that people would have that kit on "launch date" tends to ruffle some feathers.

Edited November 21, 2011 by leewells

[soot00]

I understand that the game isn't perfect. But name one game that tries to do what TES does and does it better than Skyrim?

 

Exactly. I was browsing through the official Bethesda Skyrim thread, someone had started a thread asking for most epic NPC battles you have encountered during random exploration. Every single response was totally different from another. From 5 dragons fighting each other down to a bandit running away from Imperials only to get killed by a Troll. Just shows the randomness and how amazing TES is compared to other games in this genre. If someone made this same title in a linear game like Witcher 2 that many like to compare Skyrim too, the variance in randomness could be counted on one hand.

[soot00]

Here is the thread, the randomness is just amazing. Only TES games can pull this off...

 

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1281070-the-most-epic-natural-battle-ive-seen/page__p__19353606__hl__epic__fromsearch__1#entry19353606

[Karasuman]

I understand that the game isn't perfect. But name one game that tries to do what TES does and does it better than Skyrim?

If you don't like something, that's fine. When a UI mod comes out I will be first in line to dl it. However, I've read reviews that went on and on about how the game feels like a PC port, and pointing out every minor glitch as if Bethesda's designers and programmers threw it together half heartedly.

 

The fact of the matter is that no blockbuster video game will ever be developed primarily for the PC in the foreseeable future. PC gamers are a minority in the market. I even buy most games for my Xbox, however with games like TES series, Mass Effect, GTA I purchase them on my PC to reduce load times, increase graphics and be able to apply nude mods. ;D

 

I've been gaming since the 2D era... Some shitty games have been released that deserve s***. But Skyrim is not one of them. Skyrim definitely raised the bar for open world RPGs in every respect.

 

Oblivion was mediocre, mods made it great. However Skirym is great, and mods will only improve that greatness.

 

EDIT: Remember, games are made on a budget. You can't expect a complete universe with unlimited freedom, that is just unreasonable. Now we can create armor and weapons and cook food, we can enchant...So yeah, minor sacrifices were made, but they were an expense for other new things.

 

Good post with valid points. I agree that no game will ever be perfect. And I also don't think Skyrim is just an awful game. It's not. However, I think that Morrowind was a lot more ambitious and a bigger achievement for its time than Skyrim is now. I do like Skyrim, I just expected to like it more I guess is the way to put it. Morrowind was by no means perfect either, but there were so many freedoms and little things and such in it that were omitted from both Oblivion and Skyrim that I feel would have made both titles better had they left some of them in.

 

Some things they've taken out, I can see the argument as to why they were left out. Others I just scratch my head and think to myself "What possible reason did they have for taking this out? Why did they think that was a good idea?"

[Moonlightsong]

I hear so many PC gamers and reviewers who nit pick minor details of Skyrim to complain... Meanwhile, there are so many great things and details within the game. Why are PC gamers so ungrateful? We get a construction kit that will enable us to recreate the game a million different ways, we essentially get complete control over Skyrim.

I have been gaming for a long time... There are a lot of games that don't live up to the hype, but Skyrim has literally amazed me.

 

You haven't played many PC games have you? *snicker*

 

Skyrim is by far one of the best games out there, but like most, it is buggy and Bethesda is once again dragging their feet on the Creation Kit. Releasing a buggy game and a kit that allows you to fix said bugs is one thing, but releasing a game with bugs that make the game unplayable all the while failing a promise that people would have that kit on "launch date" tends to ruffle some feathers.

I've expanded, from PC games since PCs don't get half of the great game releases that systems do, or they get them long after. Been building PCs since my Pentium 233 system, on to AMD Athlons, Voodoo video cards. Been over clocking them, and even worked assembling and customizing systems for corporate security. I love PC gaming, because it gives my PC a reason to have better than average specs.

 

I first got Skyrim just to hold me over until SW:TOR is released. You cannot expect a game with this much content to be without bugs. So much work goes into a game like this that it's impossible to catch all the bugs before the corporate higher-ups decide that they've waited long enough to get a return on it. They could have given us a game without any bugs, but with only two thirds of the content. Skryim is definitely not a half-assed game. Skyrim is an ambitious game, and a few bugs is a small price to pay for the realization of that ambition..

 

EDIT for Karasuman: I agree that Morrowind was a much more revolutionary game. But there are financial and technological limits on games... As detail rises it becomes more strenuous to create an equivalent game... For the same reason that Squaresoft refuses to remake Final Fantasy 7, it would not be profitable with all of the detail that needs to go into it to being it up to date. I loved Morrowind, but if you put it side by side with Skyrim it would be a huge difference. Also Morrowind was created as primarily a PC game, where as Skyrim was released on three platforms that differ greatly.

[Thoreai]

I understand that the game isn't perfect. But name one game that tries to do what TES does and does it better than Skyrim?

If you don't like something, that's fine. When a UI mod comes out I will be first in line to dl it. However, I've read reviews that went on and on about how the game feels like a PC port, and pointing out every minor glitch as if Bethesda's designers and programmers threw it together half heartedly.

 

The fact of the matter is that no blockbuster video game will ever be developed primarily for the PC in the foreseeable future. PC gamers are a minority in the market. I even buy most games for my Xbox, however with games like TES series, Mass Effect, GTA I purchase them on my PC to reduce load times, increase graphics and be able to apply nude mods. ;D

 

I've been gaming since the 2D era... Some shitty games have been released that deserve s***. But Skyrim is not one of them. Skyrim definitely raised the bar for open world RPGs in every respect.

 

Oblivion was mediocre, mods made it great. However Skirym is great, and mods will only improve that greatness.

 

EDIT: Remember, games are made on a budget. You can't expect a complete universe with unlimited freedom, that is just unreasonable. Now we can create armor and weapons and cook food, we can enchant...So yeah, minor sacrifices were made, but they were an expense for other new things.

 

Kingdoms of Amalur comes close to TES with open world fantasy, though i cant say if they are better since they arent out yet, but looking at the vids it looks good so far....ofcourse its different in style.

 

The problem is this "Oblivion was mediocre, mods made it great. However Skirym is great, and mods will only improve that greatness."...many people think that when we criticise skyrim we see it as a bad or mediocre game..it is not..i said many times and i will say it again...its an awesome game...but...since there are so many things they done also many things come off short....for example lets take the werewolfs and vampires...certainly we can see where beth has put more time into...werewolfs, vampires came pretty much oblivionish...so why not focus then all interest in werewolfs and put more missions like with hunting in packs or having more interesting powers/choices etc...then making "vampires" where you feel like one only when you suck blood out of sleeping people, becouse thats the only way you can get it....sucks dont you think?

 

Beth tries to put in so many things but they always come in as half-baked and instead of scattering all their powers upon many different things they could rather put them into few less but make them polished.

Edited November 21, 2011 by pavy