fraquar Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Empire isn't raping anybody, they will just quit when the going gets tough. Once you've quit before it becomes a lot easier to just keep quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphibian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Why join the legion or the stromcloaks?Why not YOU raise an army and crown yourself HIGH KING!Wait,just High King?Why not crown yourself EMPEROR of Tamriel and start a new dynasty!Thus the Fifth Era shall begin,the era of the Dragonborn!So its written.So shall it be. Edited June 21, 2012 by Amphibian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Dragonborn doesn't have time for petty politics - he's got bigger fish, eh dragons to fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphibian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Meh,even Giants and Mudcrabs can beat dragons.Politics is cool. Edited June 21, 2012 by Amphibian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzen Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I have yet to side with the Empire. The statement from the Imperial Captain in the beginning, "Forget the list. He/She goes to the block" was enough to make me a Stormcloak. When you follow Ralof into Helgen Keep, you get to kill her, so that's what I do. I've also noticed a number of comments over time about Ulfric, and how he is self-centered and racist. Well, if you pay attention to what General Tullius says, and how he behaves, you could make the same statements about him, and more. That guy is an ignorant ass (Kudos to the voice actor and the writers). In the opening scene, he's saying things like "Get into the keep you idiot!". Yeah, now there's a real leader that commands respect by insulting people (sarcasm). At least Ulfric has some degree of maturity and dignity. Both are self-centered with big egos. You have to be to even make it into a position like that. But the best example of arrogance is, of course, the Thalmor. Considering how many people playing this game despise the Thalmor, I'm surprised there aren't more mods that allow mass slaughter of Thalmor, or even plans for a DLC by Bethesda to allow a counterattack on the Aldmeri Dominion. I think most people would be pretty happy about that. But, to answer the question posed by the OP, join whichever you want. Or try both. That's probably the best strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) You said "in any future confrontation" you weren't talking about the current situation. Once again, how does it make an extra front in "any future confrontation"? It doesn't. You're not thinking this through...it's basically the same thing. If the Empire is currently helping the Thalmor in Skyrim it takes less Thalmor troops. If Skyrim is forced to remain in the Empire, it's is not going to be eager to pull the Empire's chestnuts out of the fire (again?) at any future date. At that point, all the Dominion has to do is defeat the Empire--alone because they have alienated everyone but the Thalmor--and perhaps Skyrim then falls by default ( or maybe not...esp. if Skyrim spends the next 30 years...it could very well take that long if you're waiting on the Empire...actually preparing itself.) The question for the Empire is: How do you force the citizens of Skyrim to fight alongside you when you've spent the last 30 years ignoring them...except to help the Thalmor to oppress them...and brutally suppressed their aspirations for independence? If a government owes its legitimacy to its willingness to protect its citizens and secure their natural rights and freedoms, the Empire has no legitimacy in Skyrim nor can it expect any loyalty (which is, in this case, just another way of saying that it is unlikely that citizens of Skyrim will be willing to sacrifice themselves and their land, for a government that didn't care enough about them to intervene on their behalf when their lives and rights were forfeit to the Thalmor.) Edited June 21, 2012 by MacSuibhne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) stormcloaks are just a bunch of nords that hate everything else except them. join the empire. help them get skyrim. they will rape the thalmor after. Optimistically...believing the best that can be believed about the Empire...I suspect the rape is all going the other way. Thirty years as the Thalmor's "best boy" tells a different story than any of us want to believe. Edited June 21, 2012 by MacSuibhne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InuyashaFE Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 stormcloaks are just a bunch of nords that hate everything else except them. join the empire. help them get skyrim. they will rape the thalmor after. Optimistically...believing the best that can be believed about the Empire...I suspect the rape is all going the other way. Thirty years as the Thalmor's "best boy" tells a different story than any of us want to believe. Well you have to realize the Empire was on a decline during the Great War, what with Red Mountain exploding and all. If we got the Empire back up to it's peak then they'd have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Mac, you're being wilfully obtuse. Your entire point of view depends on believing that Skyrim = The Stormcloaks, which is incorrect, flat out wrong. Your view only makes logical sense if the absolue vast majority of Nords are Stormcloak supporters, which they are not, otherwise the Civil War would already be over. Also, even if Skyrim did take a fully anti-Imperial Stormcloak stance they are still going to be targets of the Dominion, for very obvious reasons. ALL situations lead to Dominion -v- Skyrim & Cyrodil (& Hammerfell etc) eventually, because the AD clearly seeks total domination. For the final time, the number of fronts DOES NOT INCREASE. The only thing that changes is the command structure and unity (or otherwise) of the foes the Dominion faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Mac, you're being wilfully obtuse. Your entire point of view depends on believing that Skyrim = The Stormcloaks, which is incorrect, flat out wrong. Your view only makes logical sense if the absolue vast majority of Nords are Stormcloak supporters, which they are not, otherwise the Civil War would already be over. Also, even if Skyrim did take a fully anti-Imperial Stormcloak stance they are still going to be targets of the Dominion, for very obvious reasons. ALL situations lead to Dominion -v- Skyrim & Cyrodil (& Hammerfell etc) eventually, because the AD clearly seeks total domination. For the final time, the number of fronts DOES NOT INCREASE. The only thing that changes is the command structure and unity (or otherwise) of the foes the Dominion faces. You promise? Does it matter how many fronts there are? In the event of a defeat in the Civil war, Skyrim is unlikely to come enthusiastically to the aid of the Empire esp. give all that has gone before, anymore than Hammerfell is. So the Empire will face the Dominion more or less alone...with the possible exception of a sullen conscripts and the odd foreign brigade ala the Spanish Civil War. But the thing that amuses me in all this is that it is pure speculation. There is no credible evidence to determine what will happen--whether the Empire can stand alone or whether they can triumph even with Skyrim united behind them 100%. And my speculation is just as probable...i would venture to say more probable....than yours. Why? Well... All we know for sure is what has been--the Empire has been dithering and colluding with the Thalmor for thirty years. Even if you dismiss the obvious--that the Thalmor has been using that time to actually, seriously, prepare for war--they still have far more intelligence about troop moral and disposition and men and material (that they've gained through their patrols) than the Empire has about them. If the Empire couldn't grow a pair in thirty years it is unlikely they will ever. I suggested a scenario that would, in my opinion actually unite men against the AD. It was pure speculation.From what you've said here, it seems apparent that if you were the Emperor, you wouldn't even consider the proposition. I suspect Ulfric would, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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