Imperial VS Stormcloak

[AlphaQ23]

Also If I may add. There is a book series that Skyrim kinda reminds me of that I would suggest a lot of you arguing here to read if you have not already. The three books in the series are called, The Seer King, The Demon King, and The Warrior King. It basically follows the main character Damastes(I forget how to spell his name) From being a lowish officer in the first book, to the First Tribune(Tribunes in this world are higher than Generals and lower than the Emperor) in the second book, and a different Title in the third book.

 

There is a lot of magic(spells that destroy/scare armys)/sword play(lots of gruesome deaths)/sexual encounters in this series. There are many factions that are battling each other With a lot of grey areas. I would rather not go into too much detail about the story because I would be giving away a lot of spoilers.

 

My suggestion, Read that book series then come back and talk about this topic and see if your opinion may change on (lesser) armys being able to defeat (bigger) armies or not.

[AlphaQ23]

Who is the Leader of the Dominion speaking of which? I know the Thalmor are the lead political group of the AD but who's the representative of the Thalmor?

 

Also, Ulfric isnt exactly like Hitler (Not counting the Death Camps), Hitler never saw combat and was never captured. Ulfric was however. Hitler was imprisoned by German police after he began his revolt in the streets. Thus his writing of Mein Kampf. But Ulfric like Hitler truly loves his country. But unlike Hitler, Ulfric doesnt seek for Skyrim to be the rulers of Tamriel. He wants Skyrims independence and it brought back to its traditional ways. Hitler wanted Germany to change from its democracy to its old ways but even more so into this Utopia of German dominance. An Arian world. Hitler oppressed open Religion where as Ulfric supports it. Ulfric has the guards ignore the Dunmer. Hitler routed them out and arrested them. Them being the Jews.

 

Hehe. I know its not exactly what you were thinking. But Hitler was captured/jailed. But I believe some time between WW1 and WW2. Yeah I shoulda put it more like.. Thalmor seem to be the ones who would be like the Nazis if they had the opportunity. Maybe in time they will/would stop just exectuing the people who don't follow their ways and start running experements on them.

 

But honestly this whole argument just comes down to oppinion. Which Side do you like better or can look past the flaws more easily?

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

I mentioned that he was jailed. But like you said the Thalmor are more like the Nazi's.

[AlphaQ23]

I mentioned that he was jailed. But like you said the Thalmor are more like the Nazi's.

Ahh sorry about that. Long day of dealing with the snow on my driveway must of made me a bit unobservant. Non the Less I hope they come out with a mod that lets you take the fight to the Dominion.

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

After the next add on *Redguard I think. Theres supposed to be the War with the Elves

[blackninja50]

@HighkingUlfricStormcloak No, Hitler was a decorated veteran of World War I.

 

He was decorated for bravery, receiving the Iron Cross, Second Class, in 1914.

Recommended by Hugo Gutmann, he received the Iron Cross, First Class, on 4 August 1918. (a decoration rarely awarded to one of Hitler's rank)

He also received the Black Wound Badge on 18 May 1918.

He was also temporarily blinded by mustard gas and was also wounded either in the groin area or the left thigh by a shell that had exploded in the dispatch runners' dugout.

 

So no Hitler saw a lot of combat although he was not captured.

 

Also Hitler never outlawed free religion he just killed the jaws (he him self being catholic and admiring the Muslim military tradition).

[AlphaQ23]

He was put in jail though I believe. I believe I remember seeing in some history book growing up(long time ago so its just memorry that fails me sometimes) That he would read up on different military tactics from prison and going a bit crazy in there. Then again if that didn't happen and I did see it in the text books its not really a surprise since Americans like to tell their tall tales.

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

Hitler was a messenger. He was a currier, not an Infantryman. Yes the mustard gas incident, yes on the medal. But Hitler wasnt a war hero as some claim Ulfric to be. Even Rikke recognizes his prowess, same with Galmar's. Im saying that this comparison between Hitler and Ulfric isnt really relevant. They both loved their country. (Although Adolf was Austrian and not German) That also is significant in the comparison. Ulfric is a Nord and is from Skyrim.

 

Hitler was present in

 

The Battle of Ypres, The Battle of Somme, and two more I think. Somewhere around 4 to 5 Battles. He was awarded for bravery but the men didnt revere him as a hero until his later years.

 

Hitler also suffered from the "Messiah Complex" whereas Ulfric doesnt.

Edited March 6, 2013 by HighkingUlfricStormcloak

[StormHammer81]

@HisHighandMightiness

Hitler also suffered from the "Messiah Complex" whereas Ulfric doesnt.

Hmmm... I'm getting a little concerned at your posts about Ulfric. I think you're wrong about this.

First of all, he has a charismatic cause and an over-zealous following. His followers are star-struck with hero worship and you appear to be suffering from the same thing.

There are parallels between Ulfric and Hitler. Do they not both blame/hate another race for being the *apparent* cause of their condition? Tell me how again Hitler rose to power so fast. Bad economy, popular enemies, Nation of God, etc etc etc... For Deischland! The Great White Race. Blue hair and blonde eyes Nord are better than those f*ckers down in Cyrodil.

Hitler and Ulfric being in jail and being decorated veterans and all, also makes sense. It's practically writing on the wall.

You know, he offered hope, gave them a common enemy, integrity and ethics slowly but surely faded away and the people LOVED him for it. While his cause *may* have started out justly, in the end it all became what Hitler wanted. Same with Ulfric, really no different whatsoever in this respect. Ulfric will get what Ulfric wants. Look what they did to the Forsworn, look what The Silverbloods plan to do to them *Further* once they take back control of Markarth. Enslave and wipe them out in general. Whereas Jarl Ingman takes a softer approach. Although the Forsworn still hate us both, I'm just saying.

 

That's kind of like how Hitler treated Czech and the Polish. "Oh well, you're countries should be apart of our just because." You know, you can't, you can't keep saying one thing, "I stand for Freedom and all that B$" and then turn around, "Oh well, your free land belongs to us just because and we'll throw you away in the mine if you don't surrender NOW!"

 

And this time, it's not about the Empire as much as it is about how the Stormcloaks will deal with it.

 

I think you're too close to Ulfric and have an emotional attachment to him and it's not healthy.

Edited March 6, 2013 by StormHammer81

[StormHammer81]

@HishighAndMightiness

 

Why have the Dark Elves and Argonians live in "separate parts of the city" if the Nords don't feel "Superior" to them?

 

And this ain't even "Separate but Equal" this is something else entirely. Like the Dark Elf farmer trying like hell to hide his face so no one from the city knows he's working OUTSIDE THE CITY.

 

Geez. The Stormcloak have a pretty deep "Racial Superiority" complex that the Empire, at least, DOES NOT HAVE.