Underpowered Shouts?

[capngagi]

I smell a Troll. If you really have a problem with the shouts wait til CK comes out.

[Nephasth]

I think that at the very least it was a bit of an oversight for shouts to not have their own perk tree and ability to level up. With the massive cooldowns on fully leveled shouts (some are as high as five minutes) they just feel like a gimmick more than anything. If we could get perks for increased damage, reduced cooldowns etc. maybe they'd be more useful.

 

I think it'd be badass to be able to have a character who fights only with his shouts instead of only being able to start a fight with one shout and then you go back to your warrior/mage/rogue fighting style for the next 5 minutes.

[oldspice2625]

Wow... okay, let's try something different here... instead of complaining, why don't you do something worthwhile and provide a solution.

 

You sound like a spoiled child. Perhaps you are not, but honestly you come off as that so easily >.>. Just my take on things.

 

There are a lot of game breaking bugs/immersion killers that I will say I complain about, but something like this is just nitpicking to the max.

 

The shouts are not underpowered, perhaps you are beefing up your character too much. And by the way, you haven't picked up a Bow if you think the are so weak. You aren't doing it right if you don't get the desired prowess from them. Max out all the perks, bows are very powerful, not as much as say... sneak attack from two god mode daggers with the dark brotherhood glove, BUT, they get the job done. As an archer, I have never met something that wasn't easily dispatched by a little forethought and strategy.

 

They made that COD comment because there are many guns that kill people so easily, they were refering to something powerful, since you wanted a god mode ability or be god like, I found it to be perfectly fitting.

 

"This weapon doesn't kill things in two hits and I am level eighty... IT IS SO WEAK AND USELESS"

 

Is that the basic premise you are trying to get at? As we gain levels everything should be spec'd for endgame? Perhaps so. But the shouts are all useful at certain times. You don't seem to be getting the point, so it's pointless to try to make you see when you are hellbent on countering the argument rather than listening and trying to see the issue from a different point of view.

 

Yes, some shouts are a bit uselss, like the fire breath and ice breath, sure. However, they are put there since the dragons do them, and they thought it would be cool for you to be like the dragons... DARN THEM HOW DARE THEY DESIGN SOMETHING THEY THINK WE WILL APPRECIATE!!!

 

You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

 

Become Ethereal doesn't have a use when you are fighting things you can two shot, so it must be useless, right? Or perhaps whirlwind sprint is uselss because one fasttravels all of the time? Marked for death must be useless when one sneak attacks things with daggers, therefore not needing to reduce armor rating...

 

I see where you are coming from, someone who is expecting them to be godlike, but they have to have the line between having them exist, and not being too powerful... in otherwords... BALANCING. Here's the kicker, we can never agree that things are balanced enough. They agreed that they thought they were balanced enough in their own opinion, which differs from yours.

 

Don't like the heat? Get out of the kitchen. Don't use the shouts then. I for one find them to be useful. That's all I will say on this topic though, obviously you will not be swayed.

[ZombieInfected]

I got frustrated on one part of a quest and let loose with 'unrelenting force' at the inn in Markarth....cleared the place...loved it, and those idiot guards wanted to arrest me? I don't think so :devil:

 

( Thank the gods I save a lot ) :whistling:

 

Anyway, I Am not really sure if the shouts get stronger as you do or what. I do wish they would recharge at a much faster rate. Do the shouts get stronger as you do? On the PC, the longer you hold down the key, the stronger the shout is suppose to be...I'm not sure this is the case. Sometimes it seems stronger, other times it looks like nothing but a big sneeze. I dunno....

 

I found the Amulet of Talos that shortens time between shouts at 20% I'm sure there are more powerful amulets, or perhaps rings to be found.

[Bellmaethorion]

Some shouts are gamebreakingly powerful, others seem rather weak.

 

If you don't think Fus Roh Dah is any good, you've probably not been placing them right. It's great for taking on a giant, or throwing mobs off a cliff, or just slamming them around to give you a second, or clear up some space.

Furthermore, if you have a dragon hovering in front of you, a Fus Roh Dah to the face will stop him from using his breath attack.

 

Fire breath is great for lots of low level mobs, skeletons just vaporize with one hit from fire breath.

 

Elemental Fury is a "lol I win" button for dual wielding. Activate it and bam, anything in front of you is just dead.

 

Reducing or removing the cooldown will have serious repercussions, Elemental Fury at the same time as Time Stop? Alduin would be dead in seconds...

[nitevision92]

Shouts are merely tools provided to you, just like your sword and shield. Whether you use them or not is up to you. How you use them, and with what strategy, is also up to you. Thing is, these shouts are to be used creatively, rather than be expected to perform like a death ray/ranged weapon (Bows and Magic, despite complaints, already fill that role to some extent).

I, for one, am tired of games where there's the obligatory room full of enemies and the "press X/Y/Z to throw a grenade" prompt comes up on the screen. Open-world games are meant to be tinkered with to develop creative ways to screw your enemies over.

Edited November 30, 2011 by nitevision92

[tomhughes]

The damage shouts are definitely underpowered but I don't have any problems with the others. What I would like to see and what I plan on making a mod including (see sig) is being able to combine different types of words into one shout, less cooldown time and of course some more powerful shouts

[Tardivex]

Wow... okay, let's try something different here... instead of complaining, why don't you do something worthwhile and provide a solution.

I will try once the Creation Kit is out.

 

The shouts are not underpowered, perhaps you are beefing up your character too much. And by the way, you haven't picked up a Bow if you think the are so weak. You aren't doing it right if you don't get the desired prowess from them. Max out all the perks, bows are very powerful, not as much as say... sneak attack from two god mode daggers with the dark brotherhood glove, BUT, they get the job done. As an archer, I have never met something that wasn't easily dispatched by a little forethought and strategy.

So I can't make my character stronger? For the sake of shouts? Bows are weak seriously, my double war axes do 3-5x more damage than my bow, and it's a very good bow, a Legendary Daedra's and a Flawless Nighngale. Also, I'm not doing it right? My playstyle is melee so I will spend my perk points in one-handed, heavy armor, smithing and enchanting, why would I max out bow perks? I don't even care that much for bows anyways, because as I said my playstyle is melee, and just because your playstyle is to be an archer, that doesn't mean I have to be one too.

 

They made that COD comment because there are many guns that kill people so easily, they were refering to something powerful, since you wanted a god mode ability or be god like, I found it to be perfectly fitting.

Alright, wait a second, do you defend the idea of comparing a FPS to Skyrim? God your stupid! "Guns that kill people so easily" What the hell do you expect? To spend 5 ammo mags to kill a single person? Comparing an FPS to Skyrim is just stupid.

 

"This weapon doesn't kill things in two hits and I am level eighty... IT IS SO WEAK AND USELESS"

Putting words in people's mouth is a really good argument :thumbsup:

And Skyrim difficulty isn't all that high too

 

Is that the basic premise you are trying to get at? As we gain levels everything should be spec'd for endgame? Perhaps so. But the shouts are all useful at certain times. You don't seem to be getting the point, so it's pointless to try to make you see when you are hellbent on countering the argument rather than listening and trying to see the issue from a different point of view.

I never said that, so again "Putting words in people's mouth is a really good argument :thumbsup: " Also, you have to understand that as I say not all shouts are useful and I pointed out some of the useful ones, wich are like 5-7 of 21 shouts so thats not a good rating of usefulness don't you think? And you talk about me being "hellbent on countering the argument rather than listening and trying to see the issue from a different point of view" so why don't you listen to my arguments that are from "a different point of view"

 

Yes, some shouts are a bit uselss, like the fire breath and ice breath, sure. However, they are put there since the dragons do them, and they thought it would be cool for you to be like the dragons... DARN THEM HOW DARE THEY DESIGN SOMETHING THEY THINK WE WILL APPRECIATE!!!

Once again "Putting words in people's mouth is a really good argument :thumbsup: ", we are totally like dragons with those shouts oh yeah we are! I love my 5 minute cooldown with no damage shout! It is just amazing, I feel like im a Dragon! And I've also got some arguments on my first post like the Greybeards one, I think you were just too lazy to read it :facepalm:

 

Become Ethereal doesn't have a use when you are fighting things you can two shot, so it must be useless, right? Or perhaps whirlwind sprint is uselss because one fasttravels all of the time? Marked for death must be useless when one sneak attacks things with daggers, therefore not needing to reduce armor rating...

I've never said Become Etheral is useless, I've also replied a post saying that I forgot to mention it and that it's really useful, because you don't get hit and you can also do the first strike, same with Throw Voice, it is useful for players who like sneak. And marked for death is seriously useless, I don't know why people said it is :wallbash: it wasn't even when I was low level.

 

I see where you are coming from, someone who is expecting them to be godlike, but they have to have the line between having them exist, and not being too powerful... in otherwords... BALANCING. Here's the kicker, we can never agree that things are balanced enough. They agreed that they thought they were balanced enough in their own opinion, which differs from yours.

I don't expect shouts to be godlike, just to be more powerful, even on low levels they sucked, and Iron Sword can do more damage than shouts, I think a shieldbash may do more damage lol, and you say they are balanced enough? Aren't they supposed to be like "powers" because they have that HUGE cooldown, and powers like Nighngale Strife are so good and much stronger than shouts so I don't know where your going with the whole balancing thing.

 

Don't like the heat? Get out of the kitchen. Don't use the shouts then. I for one find them to be useful. That's all I will say on this topic though, obviously you will not be swayed.

Get out of the kitchen? I don't even know what you mean by that, and I don't use shouts anyways, I never used them, and THATS WHY I CREATED THE TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :wallbash:

[modder3434]

some of the shouts may be under-powered, but a master level FUS RO DAH! can knock a giant on his kesiter, and allow me to slice him up it to little pieces with my dual-wielding Nord with ebony swords.

[Thalassicus]

These three I've used often:

• Force - Extremely useful for archers. The 75% stagger chance archers have, plus a 1-second paralyze enchant on a bow, means you can stunlock almost anything. When bad random luck lets an enemy get close, fus-ro-dah is my backup.
• Elemental fury - Very powerful for dual-wielding characters. No need to level up enchanting or worry about soul gems... just get rank 3 of this (all 3 words are easy to acquire) and you can kill dragons in <5 seconds.
• Ethereal - Jump from any height and survive.

These seem to be the best for archers or dual-wielders. I've tried the other shouts, but had the most success with Force and Fury.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Thalassicus