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[rpacetoday]

In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265 are all replies on the same post.

AddictedBloo wrote:

I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now.

 

Thanks.

NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision.

rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for one

I feel violated somehow

and cheated

BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc.

These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.

We'll keep you informed.

but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right.

[rpacetoday]

In response to post #41554410. #41555155 is also a reply to the same post.

rpacetoday wrote: :/ dunno about this.....I hate change and I really hate change when it involves a basic function on a site I love

edit: guess my chatting days are over....do not like this at all....really sad.........guess Nexus is just a dl site for me now......no more community like it was

BlindJudge wrote: Really sorry to hear that, though I actually feel this is a huge benefit to the community. I have been on the chat and text all day today and got to meet a lot of people.

There seems to be a good rapport going on between people and we have 170 people online at the moment compared to between 20=30 on chat.

I would like to know your reasonings for not liking it though, so please feel free to message me or reply to this.

Regards

Paul

I do not like giving all my data to a 3rd site just to chat on Nexus.....i do not need voice and such

edit....I am old school and am not up on giving all my life history to an external site jut to chat. All I want to do is swap a few text messages with a few others once in a while without sacrificing my privacy......sounds reasonable enough Edited August 18, 2016 by rpacetoday

[rpacetoday]

In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345 are all replies on the same post.

AddictedBloo wrote:

I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now.

 

Thanks.

NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision.

rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for one

I feel violated somehow

and cheated

BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc.

These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.

We'll keep you informed.

rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right.

oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law
Edited August 18, 2016 by rpacetoday

[AddictedBloo]

Bots? Free flowing? This all sounds like a terrible idea.... Very very terrible idea. Well it looks like my chatting days have come to a close.

[matortheeternal]

In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345, #41555580 are all replies on the same post.

AddictedBloo wrote:

I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now.

 

Thanks.

NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision.

rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for one

I feel violated somehow

and cheated

BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc.

These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.

We'll keep you informed.

rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right.

rpacetoday wrote: oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law

rpacetoday: I think you must be misunderstanding something fundamental about this change. You are neither obligated nor required to join or participate in the Nexus Discord Chat. Your membership and continued usage of Nexus Mods is in no way impacted by whether or not you participate in the Discord Chat.

Discord is a well known service used by thousands of gamers and is very trustworthy in my opinion. You're free to have any opinion you want on the service, of course. You are not being violated or cheated - there are no repercussions for not participating in the new Discord chat.

[matortheeternal]

In response to post #41555660.

AddictedBloo wrote:

Bots? Free flowing? This all sounds like a terrible idea.... Very very terrible idea. Well it looks like my chatting days have come to a close.

Not really. Discord chats with bots and "free-flowing" information are pretty standard. Really this dates back to the early days of IRC. This has been the norm for a very long time now.

[rpacetoday]

In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345, #41555580, #41555720 are all replies on the same post.

AddictedBloo wrote:

I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now.

 

Thanks.

NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision.

rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for one

I feel violated somehow

and cheated

BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc.

These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.

We'll keep you informed.

rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right.

rpacetoday wrote: oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law

matortheeternal wrote: rpacetoday: I think you must be misunderstanding something fundamental about this change. You are neither obligated nor required to join or participate in the Nexus Discord Chat. Your membership and continued usage of Nexus Mods is in no way impacted by whether or not you participate in the Discord Chat.

Discord is a well known service used by thousands of gamers and is very trustworthy in my opinion. You're free to have any opinion you want on the service, of course. You are not being violated or cheated - there are no repercussions for not participating in the new Discord chat.

well I do feel cheated because there will be no chat as it used to be and I will be forced to sign up for an external service just to chat.....so while it may be a well known service, I think it should be an additional service to the chat already existing. As far as the trustworthiness is concerned, when Nexus says they will be monitoring the spoken chat to punish people they disagree with, that, at least to me, seems to be going too far. Discord should be an option, not an obligation.

[matortheeternal]

In response to post #41554410. #41555155, #41555405 are all replies on the same post.

rpacetoday wrote: :/ dunno about this.....I hate change and I really hate change when it involves a basic function on a site I love

edit: guess my chatting days are over....do not like this at all....really sad.........guess Nexus is just a dl site for me now......no more community like it was

BlindJudge wrote: Really sorry to hear that, though I actually feel this is a huge benefit to the community. I have been on the chat and text all day today and got to meet a lot of people.

There seems to be a good rapport going on between people and we have 170 people online at the moment compared to between 20=30 on chat.

I would like to know your reasonings for not liking it though, so please feel free to message me or reply to this.

Regards

Paul

rpacetoday wrote: I do not like giving all my data to a 3rd site just to chat on Nexus.....i do not need voice and such

edit....I am old school and am not up on giving all my life history to an external site jut to chat. All I want to do is swap a few text messages with a few others once in a while without sacrificing my privacy......sounds reasonable enough

You can still use the private message system of the Nexus for communicating with other users. And then there's email and managing your own private chat room. The Nexus is not obligated to provide any chat room at all.

You can read Discord's Privacy Policy here: https://discordapp.com/privacy

In my cursory overview there's nothing egregiously bad in there. To my untrained legal eye it appears they are not selling your information to third parties.

Saying you're giving your life history to them just to chat is definitely hyperbole. That might be true with a service like Facebook, but Discord only requires a username, email address, and a password to sign up. Edited August 18, 2016 by matortheeternal

[matortheeternal]

In response to post #41548250. #41549805, #41554765, #41555265, #41555345, #41555580, #41555720, #41555905 are all replies on the same post.

AddictedBloo wrote:

I have some concerns regarding the new chat and the (maybe) potential abuse of it. So I wanted to ask if it will ever be integrated with the forums (if possible) where we don't need to create an account with discord. The other issue is the file sharing aspect, I have done some reading up on it and heard from some friends, now I'm not saying it is nor isn't possible but I worry that there could be some malicious abuse with it for something as public as Nexus. I don't know for certain if malicious code can be implemented but it's my main concern. Do you plan on turning file sharing off? That's pretty much it for now.

 

Thanks.

NeoNord wrote: As history has shown multiple times, if there is a way to abuse something, people will find it and abuse it endlessly. I went through this with one MMO and do not plan to deal with it again. An inherently bad idea but Nexus has already stated in a "news" release they want to get more involved in social media. Probably a good time to start looking for alternatives to Nexus. Your point is well taken but I doubt anyone at Nexus will heed it. I hope the community reads your post before they make a decision.

rpacetoday wrote: yeah i do not want a discord account either and considering I have already paid Nexus for usage, I do not feel that I should have to sign up for one

I feel violated somehow

and cheated

BlindJudge wrote: We are going to be monitoring the chat and voice closely to begin with. We want communication to be free flowing but will obviously ban anyone who shares anything malicious, pornographic etc.

These first couple of weeks are going to be a learning curve and we are looking at 'bots' that can help with moderation etc.

We'll keep you informed.

rpacetoday wrote: but yet we are being forced to sign up with a service and share more of our personal data. I do not find this right.

rpacetoday wrote: oh and monitoring voice chat is just censorship in the extreme.....I do think you will bump heads with freedom of speech issues. It is one thing when it is posted on a web chat, but when it is in spoken chat, you really run the risk of going afoul with the law

matortheeternal wrote: rpacetoday: I think you must be misunderstanding something fundamental about this change. You are neither obligated nor required to join or participate in the Nexus Discord Chat. Your membership and continued usage of Nexus Mods is in no way impacted by whether or not you participate in the Discord Chat.

Discord is a well known service used by thousands of gamers and is very trustworthy in my opinion. You're free to have any opinion you want on the service, of course. You are not being violated or cheated - there are no repercussions for not participating in the new Discord chat.

rpacetoday wrote: well I do feel cheated because there will be no chat as it used to be and I will be forced to sign up for an external service just to chat.....so while it may be a well known service, I think it should be an additional service to the chat already existing. As far as the trustworthiness is concerned, when Nexus says they will be monitoring the spoken chat to punish people they disagree with, that, at least to me, seems to be going too far. Discord should be an option, not an obligation.

Discord is an option, not an obligation. The Nexus is not obligated to provide a chatroom as a part of their forum functionality. You are free to set up your own chat server/service for people to use to communicate with you. You are also of course free to continue using the private messaging functionality of the forums to communicate with specific individuals. There's also email, steam (assuming you own a steam game, you have access to steam chat), and many other options out there.

[rpacetoday]

In response to post #41554410. #41555155, #41555405, #41556010 are all replies on the same post.

rpacetoday wrote: :/ dunno about this.....I hate change and I really hate change when it involves a basic function on a site I love

edit: guess my chatting days are over....do not like this at all....really sad.........guess Nexus is just a dl site for me now......no more community like it was

BlindJudge wrote: Really sorry to hear that, though I actually feel this is a huge benefit to the community. I have been on the chat and text all day today and got to meet a lot of people.

There seems to be a good rapport going on between people and we have 170 people online at the moment compared to between 20=30 on chat.

I would like to know your reasonings for not liking it though, so please feel free to message me or reply to this.

Regards

Paul

rpacetoday wrote: I do not like giving all my data to a 3rd site just to chat on Nexus.....i do not need voice and such

edit....I am old school and am not up on giving all my life history to an external site jut to chat. All I want to do is swap a few text messages with a few others once in a while without sacrificing my privacy......sounds reasonable enough

matortheeternal wrote: You can still use the private message system of the Nexus for communicating with other users. And then there's email and managing your own private chat room. The Nexus is not obligated to provide any chat room at all.

You can read Discord's Privacy Policy here: https://discordapp.com/privacy

In my cursory overview there's nothing egregiously bad in there. To my untrained legal eye it appears they are not selling your information to third parties.

Saying you're giving your life history to them just to chat is definitely hyperbole. That might be true with a service like Facebook, but Discord only requires a username, email address, and a password to sign up.

yeah, limit us to worse ways of communication and say it is lovely, when all we want is the old chat. :/

edit: I do not want discord, I just want to chat in the old fashioned way.......something I donated money to support. Now I am being forced to sign away more personal info to yet another company like Microsoft or Apple or Google. Not right. Edited August 18, 2016 by rpacetoday