PA workbench - and only PA - not seeing Adhesive and a couple other components

[spacefiddle]

Update: current status is,

• PA workbenches, built anywhere, don't see all components
• Won't let you build something if it thinks you don't have components, shows as grey / 0 components
• Tested this with both junk and the raw scrap broken down
• For example: doesn't see Adhesive or Aluminum. Can't build anything, these show grey in build menu as if i had none
• If i take the components OUT of the workshop storage, and have them in inv, I can build normally
• I have no idea what's going on
• srsly halp
• I've looked at the various mods that alter PA, but I don't see anything obvious. I'm mystified as to how it can see the workshop container, but not every component inside it? It's definitely not seeing in either Junk or Scrap form.

It gets weirder: I have a total of 13 Nuclear Material in this workshop's storage, in various junk items. No raw scrap, all in junk.

The PA station sees 6.

 

how the f

 

Does anyone know where to start looking at the build menu for Power Armor workbenches...? All other workshop crafting benches are working normally.

 

Load order (may not be current as I'm changing stuff while I troubleshoot):

 

 

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

7 7 Worsin's Garage.esm

8 8 Snap'n Build.esm

9 9 Arbitration - Resources.esm

10 a ArmorKeywords.esm

11 b TrueStormsFO4.esm

12 c SettlementKeywords.esm

13 d Homemaker.esm

14 e SnappableGuardPosts.esp

15 f AkaPoweredNeonLetters.esp

16 10 FIXEDGoodfeels_no_DLC_needed.esp

17 11 BetterSettlers.esp

18 12 BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp

19 13 BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp

20 14 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

21 15 Insignificant Object Remover.esp

22 16 Scrap Everything - Core.esp

23 17 SettlementAttacksBeyond.esp

24 18 BetterStores.esp

25 19 Sanctuary Raider & Dog Removed.esp

26 1a free_downgrades.esp

27 1b PipBoyShadows.esp

28 1c WIPAG - Model-X.esp

29 1d WIPAG - Decal Station.esp

30 1e CTHColoredFriendliesSneakingAndOrWeaponDrawn-NSL.esp

31 1f TacticalKatana.esp

32 20 700_CritsOutsideofVATS.esp

33 21 ColorfulSurvivalIcons.esp

34 22 CaitEdit.esp

35 23 slevins_chemVFX-Light.esp

36 24 BowieKnifes.esp

37 25 RainofBrassPetals.esp

38 26 Glorious_Glowing_Plasma_Weapons_by_Diranar.esp

39 27 FO4Hotkeys.esp

40 28 SMC.esp

41 29 Armorsmith Extended.esp

42 2a Armorsmith Automatron.esp

43 2b Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp

44 2c TacticalKatanaAWKCR.esp

45 2d BowieKnifesAWKCR.esp

46 2e Buildable_PAFrames.esp

47 2f Scrapper Corpse Highlighting.esp

48 30 You Talk Too Much.esp

49 31 LongerHeadlampLightWithShadows.esp

50 32 DV-Deadly Vertibirds.esp

51 33 DV-Armored Pilots.esp

52 34 DV-No Levelled Vertibirds.esp

53 35 LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp

54 36 Move (Get Out the Way).esp

55 37 InteriorsEnhanced.esp

56 38 TEST_spacefiddle_Scarcity.esp

AlienAssaultRifle - TESTCopy.esp

57 39 3dscopes.esp

58 3a ValdacilsItemSorting-ZZ-DLCFarHarbor.esp

59 3b ValdacilsItemSorting-Mods.esp

60 3c BetterModDescriptions.esp

61 3d wipag-automatron.esp

62 3e CutWeaponModsRestored.esp

63 3f Immersive Reflex Sights.esp

64 40 3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp

65 41 3dscopes-framework.esp

66 42 3dscopes-FarHarbor.esp

67 43 SpotlightShadows.esp

68 44 ValdacilsItemSorting-Junk+DEF_INV.esp

69 45 BS-ExtraCustomProps.esp

70 46 BS-FarHarborExpansion.esp

71 47 InteriorsEnhanced-FarHarbor.esp

72 48 SpotlightFix.esp

73 49 AutoDoors.esp

74 4a SettlersRename.esp

75 4b Quick Save.esp

76 4c ValdacilsItemSorting-Aid.esp

77 4d ValdacilsItemSorting-Ammo.esp

78 4e ValdacilsItemSorting-CosmeticsByType.esp

79 4f ValdacilsItemSorting-Misc.esp

80 50 WIPAG - Materials Overhaul.esp

81 51 OMEGA_Worsin_Valdacil_Compat.esp

82 52 WIPAG - Paint Garage - Full (Hard).esp

83 53 ValdacilsItemSorting-ArmorBySlot.esp

84 54 WIPAG - Mod Overhaul.esp

85 55 ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunk.esp

86 56 ValdacilsItemSorting-Perks.esp

87 57 ValdacilsItemSorting-Weapons.esp

88 58 ValdacilsItemSorting-ZZ-DLCAutomatron.esp

89 59 VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete_Shadows.esp

90 5a BrighterSettlementLights_LessHarsh.esp

91 5b Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

92 5c DD_Perk_Reset_WIZURD_HAIRRYY.esp

93 5d BetterModDescriptionsAE.esp

94 5e BetterModDescriptionsSTCSAdd.esp

95 5f Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp

96 60 DDP_Bridge_mark1.esp

97 61 CutWeaponModsRestored-FarHarbor.esp

98 62 CWMR-FH-Patch-ValdacilsItemSorting-DLCFarHarbor.esp

99 63 CWMR-Patch-ValdacilsItemSorting-Weapons.esp

100 64 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp

101 65 DD_All_the_COncrete.esp

102 66 Arbitration - Survival Damage by Player 2x.esp

103 67 Arbitration - Survival Damage to Player 3x.esp

104 68 Arbitration - Better Combat AI.esp

105 69 My_Minutemen.esp

106 6a Worthless Clothing.esp

107 6b ValdacilsItemSorting-ExplosivesSortTop.esp

108 6c Arbitration - Reduced Grenade Spam.esp

109 6d Arbitration - Farther Grenade Detection.esp

110 6e Arbitration - Stealth Overhaul.esp

111 6f Arbitration - Fall Damage Overhaul.esp

112 70 Arbitration - Molotov.esp

113 71 Arbitration - No Condition Regeneration.esp

114 72 Arbitration - Automatron AI.esp

115 73 Arbitration - Compatibility for Mods that Make Nights Dark.esp

116 74 Better Artillery Flares (vanilla weight version).esp

117 75 Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp

118 76 Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp

119 77 Glowing Animals Emit Light - Far Harbor.esp

120 78 Scrap Everything - Automatron.esp

121 79 AlienAssaultRifle.esp

122 7a AlienAssaultRifle-DMG85.esp.esp

AlienAssaultRifle-DMG75.esp.esp

123 7b AltNightVision.esp

124 7c AltNightPerson.esp

125 7d AltReconVision.esp

126 7e DarkerNightsDetection.esp

127 7f TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

128 80 DarkerNights.esp

129 81 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

130 82 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp

131 83 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp

132 84 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp

133 85 ClassicSniper.esp

134 86 spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp

EFF.esp

135 87 QuickTrade.esp

136 88 AWKCRPatch-UFO4P.esp

player central inventory.esp

137 89 AutomatronSecuritron.esp

138 8a EvilViking13_PatchworkSanctuaryBridge.esp

139 8b Journal.esp

140 8c Assaultron Junk Parts.esp

141 8d Assaultron Junk Parts No Comp.esp

142 8e SolarPower.esp

143 8f spacefiddle_HomeDespot.esp

144 90 Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp

145 91 SpotlightFix-200-Shadow.esp

146 92 Northland Diggers.esp

147 93 Homemaker - Greenhouse and Bunker Disabler SKE.esp

148 94 3DNPC_FO4.esp

[JimmyRJump]

What happens if you have the adhesive in your own inventory? Is it a regular PA station or one you've built yourself and at what settlement?

[spacefiddle]

Built myself, Oberland station, and it works if I have either the components or junk in the character's inventory. From what I've seen so far:

• On every other workbench, behaves exactly as expected
• On constructed PA workbench, works normally for all components it sees
• For components PA isn't seeing from Workshop cloud storage, it works if I'm carrying them
• PA station sees most components from crafting view. It sees zero Adhesive, most notably, in storage.
• I can access R the container from the PA station, and behaves as expected
• I can remove Adhesive from the PA R menu, and put it right back in. Still doesn't see it in craft mode.
• R container menu from PA station sees everything in the cloud storage, looks exactly the same as R menu from all other stations there.

I'm not sure how it would hate Adhesive, specifically. And it's from multiple sources - the raw c_component_scrap, duct tape, veggie paste, the whole 9 yards. Inventory, can craft. Storage, it sees zero. Completely stumped.

[JimmyRJump]

Oberland Station, eh... I have a truckload of problemos with that settlement myself, ever since I started using settlements added through mods. Well, not a truckload, just that the settlement no longer shows in the settlements list so that I'm unable to send settlers there (not that I do that often) nor add a supply line from whatever other settlement. Adding a supply line starting from Oberland to whatever other setlement, works, but the supply line never connects to the main line...

 

Anyway, back to your ailings...

 

Odd question maybe, but, is the PA station reasonably far from where the WorkShop is situated? If so, try to move it closer to the WorkShop and see what gives... Am suggesting this (I'm using Build High - Expanded Settlements which enlarges Oberland almost four-fold) because when I try to build vendor stalls too far from the WorkShop, I can't (only the three tiers of the food stalls, mind) and also, when moving too far away from the WorkShop to set up any form of construction, the amout of beds goes down: only the ones closest-by are 'seen'...

 

Other than that, I fear my knowledge is too limited to be of any assistance here :(

[spacefiddle]

Interesting. It's likely that in your case, while the buildable area has been expanded, the game is using the markers from the original boundaries to look for workshop-owned items. Naturally, not all settlements are consistent in how their borders are defined. That'd be too easy, right? I remember finding that stuff while working on something else. The expander you're using could probably be updated to eliminate that issue. It's not the distance, per se: it's a binary "in the area" or "out of the defined area."

 

I don't have any added or expanded settlement mods, but I have heard other reports of weirdness about Oberland. Figures, as I've made it my current HQ. In other playthroughs, I've built there in similar locations as the current work area with no issue. Never had an issue sending people there, either. I'm wondering if more recent content / DLC from Bethesda introduced new issues there.

 

Sadly, I am doing a low-Cha run without local leader, so I can't test provisioners. Of course. I have a routine that traverses linked settlements to find their connected containers; it can also list the contents of the current container. The mod doesn't alter anything, just reads values. It's able to get the Oberland container without issue.

 

I think for this issue, it's going to be something arcane that's not occurred before. I'll have to do some digging, looks like.

 

As for your expanded borders mod, tho, see if the author is aware of the multiple ways Workshop areas are defined. Some use the defined build area, but others seem to go "use the center-of-area marker and go X distance from it." If Oberland uses the latter, that would explain why it doesn't see anything outside the original borders, even if they're marked as buildable.

[spacefiddle]

Oberland Station, eh...

 

FYI, if you're curious: unfortunately it seems that this bug is affecting ALL power armor workstations, at any settlement. They see some components as they should; they see others not at all; and weirdly, I think once or twice they saw some but not all.

 

Edit: nope, still don't have it. Editing top post so anyone finding it gets current status.

[VaporWatch]

I'm having this issue suddenly as well. Was this ever resolved by the OP (or anyone else)?

[deathclay]

The problem isn't with the power armor stations but rather the power armor frame itself. The mod you have "Buildable_PAFrames.esp" likely turns power armor frames into furniture items which links them to what ever settlement it was deployed in.

I found that storing and redeploying the frame in a linked settlement with this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10792?tab=description solves the problem. Hopefully this will be of use to anyone else who stumbles across this thread in another 2 or 3 years!

[Wolftiger470]

Actually I just ran across this problem. :sad: I don't have 'Buildable_PAFrames.esp' at all (this topic was the first I've heard of it) so not having it and looking here and other areas, ran into a question on if the poster had something that changes inventory for workbenches since the workbench had 100 of this and 50 of that but I was carrying 100 adhesive (4 shipments of) and that was the only thing showing. I looked at my mods and the only one that changed the workbench inv was 'global stash' which is a scrapping mod. I disabled that and scrapped and rebuilt a PA workstation and it showed the Workbench inv. Hope this helps others. :happy:

Edited August 20, 2020 by Wolftiger470

[Wererommel]

Oberland Station, eh... I have a truckload of problemos with that settlement myself, ever since I started using settlements added through mods. Well, not a truckload, just that the settlement no longer shows in the settlements list so that I'm unable to send settlers there (not that I do that often) nor add a supply line from whatever other settlement. Adding a supply line starting from Oberland to whatever other setlement, works, but the supply line never connects to the main line...

 

This is what happens when you delete a mod which includes a workshop. It messes up the master list. I don't know of any fix.

 

You can test this by clicking on the faulty workshop while in console and typing "sv workshopID". If it reutnrs -1, your settlement has been dropped from the list.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Wererommel