Heavily (Carefully) Modded Game Crashing (On Load or Start) on a Gaming Rig

[NeekoDeeko]

Hi all,

 

I'm an experienced Skyrim modder and have been both modding my game and even making my own mods for Skyrim for two years.

 

Despite all this, I've finally encountered a problem I haven't been able to fix simply by researching. I need the help of some brave, smart people to fix this great game.

 

After I finish character creation, when the mods begin to load up (in the upper left corner of the screen) and when quests begin (in the center of the screen), the game crashes. If, by chance, I make it past that point, the game will crash when I sleep in the bed in the underground prison (teleport to another location via the Alternate Start mod). If I try to load up any saves that I've made after the character creation, the game crashes on load.

 

I've attached my load order, my specs, and I've included part of my papyrus log.

 

Additionally, here are all the things I'm already doing:

Using under 255 plugins

Using the most up-to-date, stable, nvidia drivers.

Using the Skyrim Memory fix as a part of SKSE (SKSE.ini includes: [Memory] DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768 ScrapHeapSizeMB=256)

Allowing my ENB to control the proper graphics features by changing the NVIDIA control panel settings according to the mod page.

Cleaning all mods and DLC according to the recommendation of LOOT as well as sorting all masters with TESVEdit

Generating FNIS

Creating a Merged patch through TES5Edit

Creating a bashed patch through Wrye Bash

Organizing my load order through LOOT

 

 

You can help me by answering ANY of these questions:

 

Do I simply have to many mods? If so, how many do I need to get rid of to stop the crashes?

Is there anything I can do to make Skyrim better utilize my specs or give it even more memory?

How can I interpret these papyrus logs? What are they telling me?

Do any of these mods seem particularly dangerous?

Is there some common, known mistake I'm making here?

How do I go about figuring out what is causing these crashes?

 

 

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP <3... I miss Skyrim ;(

 

- NeekoDeeko

 

My load order on Modwatch as requested ;) http://www.modwat.ch/u/NeekoDeeko

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2016 by NeekoDeeko

[NeekoDeeko]

I originally uploaded the incorrect load order but it is correct now. Any help is appreciated!

[twiztedmongoloid]

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/wiki/troubleshooting_guide

 

Use a site like modwatch to upload your mod list and load order.

 

or use spoiler tags.

[saurusmaximus]

Have you ever played the game with this exact load order before? If not, what have you changed? Is your enblocal.ini configured correctly? When you say it crashes "after character creation", is that in Helgen, or with an Alternate Start, or both? Have you tried starting the game with just the DLC's installed, building your character, then adding in your mods?

 

Looking at your load order, a couple things jumped out: You have several mods that are script-heavy, most notably Fire and Ice Overhaul, but also Wet and Cold, and the Marriage mod (if you can live with out this one, I would. It's a poorly-implemented, buggy, mess). I've also heard bad things about Dead Body Collision; I've never used it, so take that with a grain of salt.

 

Lastly, have you considered merging some of your plugins? I've found that my game is happiest if I stay under 200. I merged my armor and weapons mods, my follower mods, and things like that come with several esp's like RLO. Just a suggestion, and as always with this sort of thing, YMMV.

[Darkstyler35]

Hello,

 

Possible cause : if you're using an ENB that is not correctly configured : try these settings in your enblocal.ini :

 

[GLOBAL]
UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=true
UseDefferedRendering=false

 

If it worked, reset the settings back and check your ENB settings using this guide.

 

Some possible answers to your questions, if not already been done :

• <Is there anything I can do to make Skyrim better utilize my specs or give it even more memory?> use crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 instead of skse memory patch or SSME. You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.
• <How can I interpret these papyrus logs? What are they telling me?> Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors. (VM is freezing or frozen, means your game is paused).
• <Do any of these mods seem particularly dangerous?> Dangerous mods list.
• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page. You may use this updated guide to clean your masters. It contains the same automated cleaning procedure as Gopher explains in his video + repeating once for Dawnguard.esm + some selective manual cleaning.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may also do a check errors.

 

Good luck.

[NeekoDeeko]

Hi guys, thanks for your help.

 

I tried changing those ENB settings and I still got the crash in the same places, so I've returned the settings to their original state, and do not believe my problem is derived from an incorrectly configured enblocal.ini.

 

I also tried dumping Fire and Ice Overhaul (for its heavy scripting), Marriage Mod (for its messiness and scripts), and Deadly Mutilation (for its potential incompatibility over skeletons), but I still received the crashes in the same places.

 

I've also switched from the SKSE Skyrim Memory Patch to the crash fixes plugin, setting UseOSAllocators=1, and installing the SKSE preloader (which is required).

 

Now, the game crashes during the loading screen whether I'm starting a new game or loading an old save. I can no longer get just past character creation. Does this indicate that my problem exists in my SKSE plugins - the very plugins that are being preloaded?

 

 

A few more things to address:

 

As I noted in my OP, I have been cleaning my mods with TES5Edit according to the recommendations provided when I organize my load order with LOOT.

 

Also, in response to Saurusmaximus, I'm intregued by your suggestions to "merge plugins." Do you use a program to do that or do you do it manually? How can I learn how to do that (tutorial)? I worry my problem may simply be that I have too many esps for Skyrim to load, so merging might be the answer.

 

Thanks for your help, hopefully we can fix this!

 

 

[Project579]

If you post your modwatch i will be very pleased :laugh: Link: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/56640

For merging plugins i suggest using: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69905 it has user comments on the plugins it can merge scripts works with mod organizer has build-in error check.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Project579

[Darkstyler35]

• <Now, the game crashes during the loading screen whether I'm starting a new game or loading an old save.> Set ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in enblocal.ini.

Skyrim doesn't start troubleshoot.

As suggested above, it would be wise to get rid of some of your mods, (use also the dangerous mods list)

Ensure that your specs can handle your load order. You may try Install ENBOOST.

Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

[saurusmaximus]

Getting back to you here. Project579 gave you the link to the Merged Plugins app that I use (actually, I'm still using an older version that uses a script with TESVedit, but the principal is the same). It's a pretty straight forward process, just make sure you read all of his documentation before you get into it too far.

 

Going back to your main issue; in my previous post, I alluded to trying to start the game with just the minimum number of mods installed (the DLC's and anything that has to be loaded from the get-go, like USLEEP, Live Another Life, etc), creating your character (or getting completely out of Helgen, if you're doing it that way), then installing your mods. Have you tried that? I've found that Skyrim can get pissy if you start a completely new game with too much stuff installed. Start your game, get to a good save point, save & quit, install your mods, restart the game.

 

If your save loads, don't do anything for at least two minutes of real time. Just stand there while things load up and settle down. This is the method I've had to use when starting a new game with my stupidly large load order, and it's always worked. If it works for you, great. If not, well, it won't be the first time I've been caught talking out my backside here :laugh:, and we'll have to dig deeper.

 

One last note about the Marriage Mod: make sure you completely uninstall it, just unchecking it from your load order isn't enough; even though it isn't loading into your game, some of it's scripts will still weasel their way in and cause problems. I'll give you one guess how I know that... :dry:

 

Good luck!

[Project579]

Getting back to you here. Project579 gave you the link to the Merged Plugins app that I use (actually, I'm still using an older version that uses a script with TESVedit, but the principal is the same). It's a pretty straight forward process, just make sure you read all of his documentation before you get into it too far.

 

Going back to your main issue; in my previous post, I alluded to trying to start the game with just the minimum number of mods installed (the DLC's and anything that has to be loaded from the get-go, like USLEEP, Live Another Life, etc), creating your character (or getting completely out of Helgen, if you're doing it that way), then installing your mods. Have you tried that? I've found that Skyrim can get pissy if you start a completely new game with too much stuff installed. Start your game, get to a good save point, save & quit, install your mods, restart the game.

 

If your save loads, don't do anything for at least two minutes of real time. Just stand there while things load up and settle down. This is the method I've had to use when starting a new game with my stupidly large load order, and it's always worked. If it works for you, great. If not, well, it won't be the first time I've been caught talking out my backside here :laugh:, and we'll have to dig deeper.

 

One last note about the Marriage Mod: make sure you completely uninstall it, just unchecking it from your load order isn't enough; even though it isn't loading into your game, some of it's scripts will still weasel their way in and cause problems. I'll give you one guess how I know that... :dry:

 

Good luck!

Gamer Poets video on Merge Plugins covers everything and is really well done :laugh: .