Perraine Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 It started innocently and perhaps forgive-ably enough = Modders giving us things like building assets or decorations, then a DLC comes out with almost exactly the same stuff in it. I could accept some of those, as ... well, some of it should have been in the game from the start... Then we got Warehouse building parts, and Greenhouse building parts, and Elevators, and then when Vault - Tec was announced , I almost spat my coffee -build your own Vault? Settlement Management Software? It stretches "coincidence" just a bit too far, when those DLC options hit very shortly after a mod with the same thing gets released ... And now ...I just noticed that we are getting "Nuka Girl" outfit mods popping up ... Now I refuse to accept that Bugthesda did 't outright STEAL that from Elianora! It's virtually IDENTICAL to her mod in almots every way! Nw ys, they are I suppose working from the same source material (i.e the Nuka Girl posters) But Bugthesda would have the very original concept designs for Nuka Girl that (I assume) Elianora didn't have, yet the outfits are just too similar. I get the EULA states that any mod you create for their game is totally and inexorably the property of Bugthesda, but this is just too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGadget1945 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 There's a law in the UK known as "Intellectual Property" which says that when someone creates or develops something, especially "art" of any kind, that thing is the "Intellectual Property" of its creator.So if Bethesda can prove that they created the Nuka Girl image , vault design etc it is their property. They allow other people to modify because that helps them sell more games but they still own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuwuwuwuwu Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I don't have any problem whatsoever with Bethesda integrating good mods into the vanilla game, just like Mojang did with Minecraft for example. But I wish they'd give credit and maybe even some monetary compensation to the author of the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayinNuthin Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 There's a law in the UK known as "Intellectual Property" which says that when someone creates or develops something, especially "art" of any kind, that thing is the "Intellectual Property" of its creator.So if Bethesda can prove that they created the Nuka Girl image , vault design etc it is their property. They allow other people to modify because that helps them sell more games but they still own it. Yaaa.. and Corporations, of which Bethesda is a minor example, care deeply about national laws (a/s). That's why they can access whole buildings full of a$$hole lawyers who can confuse and generally confound any issue or 'right' granted by your nations laws. I could go on at some length on this theme but to sum it up. These are the new 'robber-barons' and they take pretty much what ever they want. Ideally of course they would persuade you to give them your stuff (work, creativity etc.) free, willingly. But that kind of persuasion can be expensive, and once they have run the numbers and deemed it costs more than the services of the lawyers, they'll just take it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news an all that, but welcome to the 21st C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perraine Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 There's a law in the UK known as "Intellectual Property" which says that when someone creates or develops something, especially "art" of any kind, that thing is the "Intellectual Property" of its creator.So if Bethesda can prove that they created the Nuka Girl image , vault design etc it is their property. They allow other people to modify because that helps them sell more games but they still own it.It's not a question of "Intellectual Property" I understand that the Fallout World and all it's contnents and concepts ultimately belong to Bugthesda, however that same rule applies to content crated by modders as well. Don't they have aright to their creations? Even if "based" on Bugthesda's BugTHEFTa's concepts.Bugthefta didn't invent the concet of the Contoured Soda Bottle or the World Wide phenomenon that is Coca Cola, but lets face it, Nuka Cola is based on it entirely. I don't have any problem whatsoever with Bethesda integrating good mods into the vanilla game, just like Mojang did with Minecraft for example. But I wish they'd give credit and maybe even some monetary compensation to the author of the original.Ecaxxtly! It's not about whether Bugthefta steal mods, we know they do, and judging from the total lack of true innovation and story telling in FO:4 and it's DLC's we know that Bugthefta are totally out of idea's. But if they are going to ...let's say "borrow" from the modding community, then they should give credit, even if only written or verbally, that they "borrowed". I doubt it would even be necessary for "monetary" rewards, as most modders would be happy simply with recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianora Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 ... So when I make a mod based on Bethesda's design, creating an outfit LOOKING AT IMAGES ON VANILLA POSTERS IN GAME it's fine. But when Bethesda SOMEHOW has the same idea when creating an entire DLC around Nuka... It's theft. Ridiculous thread is ridiculous, everyone needs to calm their asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perraine Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'm sorry Elianora, but that's not the point! When you made/make your mods, you will always freely admit where your inspiration comes from, and always give credit wherever it's due, for practical as well as creative input. So why shouldn't Bugthefta be held up to the same standards? If they don't give credit for taking idea's and concepts "wholesale" from the community created content then it can't be called anything else but theft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ousnius Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'm sorry Elianora, but that's not the point! When you made/make your mods, you will always freely admit where your inspiration comes from, and always give credit wherever it's due, for practical as well as creative input. So why shouldn't Bugthefta be held up to the same standards? If they don't give credit for taking idea's and concepts "wholesale" from the community created content then it can't be called anything else but theft You're not understanding. Nuka girl and the suit are Bethesda's ideas, they were there before Eli's ideas. If you want to call someone a thief, you should actually call Elianora the thief (obviously she's not though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perraine Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'm sorry Elianora, but that's not the point! When you made/make your mods, you will always freely admit where your inspiration comes from, and always give credit wherever it's due, for practical as well as creative input. So why shouldn't Bugthefta be held up to the same standards? If they don't give credit for taking idea's and concepts "wholesale" from the community created content then it can't be called anything else but theft You're not understanding. Nuka girl and the suit are Bethesda's ideas, they were there before Eli's ideas. If you want to call someone a thief, you should actually call Elianora the thief (obviously she's not though). Maybe I'm not making my point either ... I KNOW that the Nuka Girl "idea" is Bugthefta's, that's not what I'm refering too.I'm referring to the fact that they have added the Nuka Girl outfit to one of their DLC's (and mind you, it has NEVER been shown in any of their "promotional" media for Nuka World, adnd we know that an outfit like that would have been as popular a topic as the Nuka Cola or Electrified Power armor's are) When a mod with EXACTLY the same outfit was released only a few months ago. That "coincidental" content is what I'm referring too. I'm using Elianora's mod only as an example, as there have been many, MANY other mod "concepts" that have mysteriously appeared in Bugthefta DLC's ... And I use the word "mysteriously' on purpose, because many of these features, and some of them are quite extravagant and/or popular were also NEVER shown or mentioned in the promotional material for those DLC's until either right before or at the launch date. As I said it stretches the concept of "coincidence" or serendipity, just a bit too far. This is just my opinion though, so I am happy for others to disagree. You can believe whatever you want to believe ( ... and I'll keep believing the truth :wink: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderMuffin Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Yes! How dare they add in a suit they created and was in the trailer! How dare they add in warehouse and greenhouses tilesets because as we all know modders created the idea of warehouses and greenhouses! How dare they put in elevators, such a theft from modders who clearly created the idea! AND HOW DARE THEY GIVE US AN ENTIRE DLC AROUND BUILDING VAULTS THAT WAS REQUESTED SINCE DAY ONE OF FALLOUT 4 BECAUSE OF FALLOUT SHELTER HOW DARE THEY /sarcasm Seriously, nothing has been stolen. Quit your whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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