cleaning dlc and update.esm necessary?

[ckhong87]

I have 50 plugins and LOOT says only 5 plugins are dirty and clean them. they are 1. update 2.dawnguard 3.hearthfire 4.dragonborn 5.cloaks of skyrim

and I experience ctd a lot. rarely in skyrim but at least twice per every dungeon. Im using dcr+asis+ace combat+dragon overhaul set and cbbe+hdt+ece+racemenu and etc.

[Project579]

1. update 2.dawnguard 3.hearthfire 4.dragonborn are the ones that you should always clear no matter what.

[Darkstyler35]

Hello,

 

If you don't clean your vanilla masters, (and also ensure that mods are also cleaned) the risk is a mod obviously loaded after refer to some UDR and ITM references and creates problems, sometimes CTD with UDR.

• CTD in a particular cell / location.
• Make sure you're using the good mods >> Dangerous mods list.
• Verify gamecache.
• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit, depending on what's happening in game, choose the subsections that describes the best your problem.
• Only YOU Can Prevent Forest Fires.

Here is a list of things that may help stabilizing your game if not already been done :

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Make sure you're using the latest USLEEP instead of the obsolete unofficial patches. If some of your old mods require them, you may use the USLEEP swap masters.
• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Tes5edit cleaning tutorial / Tes5edit documentation / Tes5edit Nexus page.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT may tell you which plugin you should clean.
• Mator's video fixing errors with Tes5edit. Merge plugins.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T / Nexus page (& documentation).
• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.
• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists
• How things work in Tes5edit : load order / conflict looser - winner / Forwarding / adding as a master. More specifically, you may create a manual patch between two or more mods.

/// Settings / memory :

• Preferably, use crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 instead of skse memory patch or SSME.
• You may also install safety load if you experience infinite loading screens or freezing in game.
• Memory blocks log will help to refine memory settings.
• Skyrim performance monitor.
• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.
• STEP INI tweaking wiki.
• You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.
• New SkyrimTools, (corrupt saves topic).

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

/// Useful informations :

• Selective loading : untick 50% of your mods, beginning by the end of your load order and test in game. Then depending on if the problem occurs again or not, increase / decrease the remaining loading mods to find the culprit.
• If you're using win8-10 + a GPU with more than 4GB VRAM and experiencing stuttering, random freezes or / and FPS drops, this may occur when the VRAM usage exceeds 4GB, read here for more details.
• In NMM settings, see where your tracelog path is (C:\Users\User\Documents\Nexus Mod Manager), open a request in the NMM open beta forum and post your tracelog.txt.
• Make sure your framerate isn't going above 60 - use a fps limiter or the ENB limiter included feature or using your graphic card utility if you experience problems with the ENB limiter.
• Skyrim requirements wiki | STEP troubleshooting page | Crashdump analysis | Direct-x 9 C, 9 C update |
• Skse installation : skse on steam or Manual install. (SKSE, memory and skse.ini). SKSE logs are here : C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE. SKSE troubleshooting guide.
• An efficient guide to build your game : STEP / Official S.T.E.P. Mod Organizer video series.
• Ensure your skyrim installation is healthy = Make skyrim vanilla again.
• Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors / Enabling papyrus logging
• Need to know informations about your harware, temperature, etc... ? Speccy may help you.
• Shut down background programs such as intellipoint, fan manager, etc... Need a tool to manage GPU fan speed that works with ENB ? You may try Afterburner, (tested)

/// Credits : these persons deserve kudos, (among others) without them there would be nothing above.

Thallassa | Matortheeternal | Arthmoor | BorisVorontsof | GamerPoets | Gopher | TheCompiler (+ all the STEP team) | Luco81 (NMM forum) | Tannin42 | I2edShift | ElminsterAU, Sharlikran, Zilav, Hlp | Meh321 | Kapaer | Sheson | Mnelson999 | Hadoram | markdf |/ Anton0028 | Wrinklyninja (L.O.O.T contributors) | Bcsp | Missjennabee |

Hope this helps.

[ckhong87]

enough for system requirment. installed ssme and still ctd. finally I just disabled hdt, xp32 skeleton and looks fine so far. not sure yet but maybe ragdoll+hdr+xp32=god damn ctd a lot?

[Darkstyler35]

Try to reinstall your Xp32 skeleton last, after your mods that need it. If using NMM, when prompted to overwrite say yes.

[Project579]

try using XP32 Maximum Sheleton Extended instead of Xp32 maximum skeleton

[kurecore]

Hello,

 

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Hope this helps.

 

 

Much appreciate Darstyler,this helped a lot and i have more clear in it now,how it work's...

no conflicts at all :smile:

Edited November 23, 2016 by kurecore

[duma24]

i cleaned the update esm & the dlc's, and now in bleak falls barrow i always see arvel standind *behind* the spider web (instead of being trapped in it). i started a new game but i always get the same result. i wonder if cleaning the esm's has something to do with this...

[Kroekr]

I doubt it. Mine are cleaned and he is 'on the web' in every one of my million plus starts (a new one for each shiny new mod I see and like). Do you have any overhauls of Bleakfalls or Arvel?

[duma24]

no, nothing changing bleakfalls or arvel AFAIK...