"If You're Wearing a Collar...

[RS13]

...It's cause you asked for it, Ain't no one a slave who don't wanna be." A Raider just said that to me.

 

That may be the most absurd weaksuace BS in the whole game.

 

 

[CiderMuffin]

It was actually the kind of mindset colonial European Americans had to justify owning slaves. It's still a logic used by certain, usually racist, groups to this day.

 

Of course it's complete bullcrap

[Fonger]

"if you don't like the collar - take it off"

[Timmiii]

It was actually the kind of mindset colonial European Americans had to justify owning slaves. It's still a logic used by certain, usually racist, groups to this day.

 

Of course it's complete bullcrap

where in the world did you come up with that? Africans have sadly been slaves to almost everyone including other Africans for thousands of years. their own families sold them into slavery. if colonists wanted slaves, they had many natives at their disposal. there was no justification needed for owning slaves. it was tragically accepted practice in Europe, Asia, and Africa before anyone knew about America.

[Fonger]

 

if colonists wanted slaves, they had many natives at their disposal.

 

 

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they tried natives

 

couldn't whip enough work out of them to justify the costs of the whips

 

"sometimes refusing to be a slave kills you, but benefits your clan"

[CiderMuffin]

 

It was actually the kind of mindset colonial European Americans had to justify owning slaves. It's still a logic used by certain, usually racist, groups to this day.

 

Of course it's complete bullcrap

where in the world did you come up with that? Africans have sadly been slaves to almost everyone including other Africans for thousands of years. their own families sold them into slavery. if colonists wanted slaves, they had many natives at their disposal. there was no justification needed for owning slaves. it was tragically accepted practice in Europe, Asia, and Africa before anyone knew about America.

 

Google "Slaves loved being slaves" and you'll see. Also the mindset was used a lot especially when talk of abolishing slavery arose in the early stages of revolutionary America and then once again when abolitionists brought the issue up in the 19th century. While slavery did exist in many parts of the world even before the Americas were discovered the logic of "slaves loved being slaves" was still a thing.

 

Also they did try to enslave Native Americans but it wasn't as successful nor profitable as the African slave trade was.

Edited September 2, 2016 by CiderMuffin

[mkborgelt13]

...It's cause you asked for it, Ain't no one a slave who don't wanna be." A Raider just said that to me.

 

That may be the most absurd weaksuace BS in the whole game.

 

 

 

I disagree, it fits perfectly with the mentality of the "Pack" gang. You have to divorce it from anything having to do with real life or actual slavery, and see it in the context of raiders. Think of it like this:

 

The raiders respect strength and willingness to fight, above all. If you don't want to wear the collar, simple, walk right up to one of the raiders and demand he/she take it off. When they laugh at you, demand they fight you. If you put up a good fight, collar is removed, but now you're just like them, and have to sleep with one eye open.

 

The slaves are protected "property," they are overworked and so on, but because they are the "property" of the raiders they are exempt from all the infighting and so on. The raiders need them to do all the menial stuff they don't want to do.

 

The moment they take the collar off, they are subject to the same barbaric lifestyle as everyone else. "Asking for it" or "wanting to be a slave" simply means you prefer to be under that kind of protective custody rather than participate in the raider lifestyle.

 

Listen to their other lines, "If you can take something... it's yours."

[RS13]

It was actually the kind of mindset colonial European Americans had to justify owning slaves. It's still a logic used by certain, usually racist, groups to this day.

 

Of course it's complete bullcrap

 

Yeah, I see how could read it as just the Pack's view of things, but at the time it really sounded to me like Bethesda trying to de-evil their game. "You can be a raider! With slaves!---Psst and by slaves we mean *willing* slaves. What do you think we are, monsters?"

Edited September 2, 2016 by RS13

[CiderMuffin]

 

It was actually the kind of mindset colonial European Americans had to justify owning slaves. It's still a logic used by certain, usually racist, groups to this day.

 

Of course it's complete bullcrap

Yeah, I see how could read it as just the Pack's view of things, but at the time it really sounded to me like Bethesda trying to de-evil their game. "You can be a raider! With slaves!---Psst and by slaves we mean *willing* slaves. What do you think we are, monsters?"

 

Ohboy no, none of them are willing and they make it clear they don't like being slaves.

[mkborgelt13]

 

It was actually the kind of mindset colonial European Americans had to justify owning slaves. It's still a logic used by certain, usually racist, groups to this day.

 

Of course it's complete bullcrap

 

Yeah, I see how could read it as just the Pack's view of things, but at the time it really sounded to me like Bethesda trying to de-evil their game. "You can be a raider! With slaves!---Psst and by slaves we mean *willing* slaves. What do you think we are, monsters?"

 

 

No way, you can dismember and eat corpses, shoot kids, set people on fire, pawn a child to a strange man. They are not trying to "de-evil" it at all, compared to those things which already in the game, it'd be a little too late for that. :P

 

Only complaint is the lack of workbenches.