Qwinn´s Ultimate DAO Fixpack v3 (no longer beta!)

[LadyHonor]

if a mod doesn't alter any of the core resources like say maybe...mine? lol will this mod conflict with it? i use pcrscr to put things in the oc and mainly just check for minor flags like race, gender, origin mostly. the rest is original content...except for one teeny weeny thing...it does alter one thing, but it's not a major thing...it just changes the ending script of a cutscene to play another when it's finished.

[Qwinn]

I don't think there will be conflict... your mod extends the human noble origin, right? I do modify Ser Gilmore's dialogue but other than that, not much changes there. If you're extending a cutscene in the climax, I'm pretty sure there ARE very necessary fixes to be made there. Worst comes to worst I can send you my version of the files we're both touching (and any dependencies, if needed) and you can make your change to my file instead.

[LadyHonor]

My mod can actually be used no matter the origin. it adds four additional followers to your party. The only difference between the backgrounds is of course you get to play the noble origin portion of the mod whereas you don't if you play any other origin. You will reunite with then later on in the game. If you play a non-noble origin, you will still get them and you will still gain access to Highever and it's areas through their personal quests. There is just much more to do there if you play as a noble. So it pretry much covers the entire game, but none of it other than that one cutscene mentioned above alters any core resources.

[Qwinn]

Well, let me know precisely which file it is you're touching, and I'll try to avoid doing anything to it.

 

74. (v3.0) Jarvia will now correctly identify who you're working for publicly (she'd state Harrowmont sent you if you were doing Shifting Allegiances)..

 

75. (v3.0) When confronting Roggar in Figor's shop, it wasn't actually possible to give Roggar the 10 gold he demands.

 

 

On that last one, it's funny that the Dragon Age Wiki pages for both Roggar and Figor state that the 10 gold thing is an option, and in 6 years no one noticed it couldn't actually be done. People who fill in these pages by looking in the toolset (but only at the dialogue, never the scripts called by the dialogue!) and never verifying they're working make this job a lot harder, sigh...

 

Trivia: Scripting comments indicate if you bribed Roggar or scared him off, he should show up in the Gangster's Hideout later. However, since he's not even in the Carta area file and there's no dialogue for him to confront you with there or loot to be dropped, he'd just be another critter to fight among the hundred others, it's way too much trouble to implement this for virtually no gain.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Qwinn

[Qwinn]

Something I'm finding odd at the moment is that I *know* from previous playthroughs (and heck, my own version 1.0 readme notes) that it was possible to get two entries for "A Paragon of her Kind" under "The Blight", one for Harrowmont sending you after Branka and the other for Bhelen sending you. However, doing it just now, after doing Jarvia I first went to Dulin/Harrowmont and got Harrowmont's version, but when I talked to Bhelen after, Bhelen's entry *overwrote* Harrowmont's. I don't know if it splits into two separate entries later or what... I'll play through and find out... but I'm suspecting strongly that regardless of what happens there, they were supposed to be *subquests* in the same entry. We shall see. God I hope I don't have to run through all of the Deep Roads multiple times.

[MartenX123]

First of all I want to say "Thank you" for the continuous work. I am playing through Dragon Age for the first time right now, noticed one of the bugs and then Google brought me here.
I am so happy to see that this amazing game still receives support from the community! :-)
Just looking at the amount of fixes in this thread I am considering to wait until v3 is done. Qwinn, do you have a rough idea how long it will take you to go through the whole game?

[Qwinn]

Well, honestly, I wouldn't expect it in less than 3-4 months at the current rate. I know Denerim's going to be chock full of issues (I nailed quite a few in my first fixpack, but I did for Orzammar too!) I'd be surprised if it took longer than 4 though. Thank God I have a very supportive girlfriend who tolerates me working on this as much as I do. Bestest girlfriend ever.

 

But yes, I would wait. I know it's a pain to ask that, but it's practically a new game with all these fixes. I know I am enjoying it a lot more with each bugfix. I recommend finding another game to play for a bit. I do promise I will not drop this project midstream (barring death or grievous injury, and probably not even in the latter case), and I feel fairly certain it will be very much worth the wait.

 

Anyway, I was right this morning.

 

76. (v3.0) Harrowmont and Bhelen's quests to find Branka would overwrite the main A Paragon of Her Kind quest, and if playing as a double agent would sometimes incorrectly create multiple entries with that title under The Blight entry. Those two quest chains will now be listed as subquests under A Paragon of Her Kind, thus preserving the main quest chain entries.

 

EDIT: Actually, it's a bit of a tossup. There's equal evidence that they might've intended the above solution, or the alternate solution that they'd be listed under the Orzammar group as "A Lord's Trust: The Third Task" and "A Prince's Favor: The Third Task". However, seeing as how if you're playing a double agent, you never actually get a "Second Task" quest from the guy you're working for covertly (instead getting "Betrayed from Within" or "Shifting Allegiances"), I think it's a little cleaner to do it as mentioned above, as subquests of A Paragon of Her Kind. That's where people have become accustomed to seeing quest updates for the Third Task anyway.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Qwinn

[Qwinn]

77. (v3.0) "Shifting Allegiances": Fixed a bug that prevented non-Dwarf Nobles from telling Harrowmont that you found evidence against Trian.

 

78. (v3.0) "Of Noble Birth": If you were working covertly for Harrowmont, you had no opportunity to ask him to promise to take care of your son until you crowned him. You now have one chance to ask him immediately upon first meeting him after killing Jarvia (as you do with Bhelen when working covertly for him).

 

79. (v3.0) "Of Noble Birth": Slightly tweaked the journal entries to better match the course of events. (Your journal will say "Mardy will be pleased to hear of this." before, rather than after, you've told her.)

 

 

Side note: Unfortunately, not all the possible oddities in "Of Noble Birth" can be fixed. You can only tell Mardy that one of the contenders has promised to take her in if they become king. If you crown the other, she will react as if that one was the one you told her about, and will still be accepted into the new King's household even if you never said anything to the new king about her. There's unfortunately not enough voiced dialogue available to account for that possibility. To avoid the issue (which is harmless, just odd), only tell her the promise of the contender you actually plan to make king, or just hold off telling her anything until a king is crowned and has agreed to accept her, or be sure to get the king to agree to take her when you crown him.

 

Considering that EVERYONE failed this quest according to their quest journal (even non-dwarf nobles that couldn't start it), and that much is solved, I don't feel that bad about it.

 

And now it's FINALLY time to go to the Deep Roads and pick up Oghren!

Edited February 24, 2017 by Qwinn

[Qwinn]

Heh, the fix about people congratulating you for winning the proving after round 4 extends to 2 Tapsters patrons as well. And another Tapsters patron had a line meant for only non-dwarves that was instead said only to women of any race.

 

 

EDIT: Ye Gods! Changing fix 47:

 

47. (v3.0) If you worked for both Bhelen and Harrowmont, Oghren's dialogue from Tapsters to the end of the Orzammar plot would get repeatedly confused, one moment saying you work for Harrowmont and the next for Bhelen. He also wouldn't recognize if you'd failed one of their quests and were clearly publically working for the other guy. He'll be more correct and consistent about who you're working for publically now.

 

(Seriously, there's like a dozen checks for who you're working for that are dead wrong.)

Edited February 24, 2017 by Qwinn

[Qwinn]

I've been pondering how to deal with who Oghren says you work for if you're working for both. After all, the rest of your party knows who you're working for covertly, why couldn't you tell Oghren?

I think I might just let the player decide. Near the end of the conversation when he joins, you can tell Oghren that you have a map given to you by whoever you agreed to find Branka for, and can choose either if you agreed to both. I think it would work well if, whoever's map you tell him you're following, that's who he believes you're working for from that point on. If you pick neither option (like "Let's get moving") then he just sticks with whoever you're working for publicly.

Gotta look more into it to see how feasible that is but I think that's what I'll aim for.

 

EDIT: Yup. It works. I like it. Here's the new description of Orzammar bug fix #47:

 

47. (v3.0) If you are working for both Bhelen and Harrowmont, and even if you aren't, Oghren would be perpetually confused about who you work for (even more than being perpetually drunk would account for), from Tapsters all the way to Branka. Since virtually every check has a different condition, and since it seems reasonable that you *could* always tell him who you're really working for, I've decided to go with this: At Tapsters, when it's still possible that it's not clear who you are ultimately working for, he'll pick one (the correct one if that can be determined at that time) and at least be consistent about it. Once you are sent to look for Branka, Oghren will initially believe you work for whoever's quest to find her you accepted (he says he's got a lot of contacts, so it's plausible he'd know about your covert mission), and if you accepted both, he'll believe you work for whoever you worked for publicly. At the end of that conversation, though, you can tell him that whoever you accepted the quest from gave you a map to Carridin's Cross (and you can choose one, if you accepted it from both). If you choose one of those options (you don't have to, in which case he'll stick with his prior belief), then whoever's map you tell him you'll be following, that's who he'll believe you're really working for from then on. The choice is yours!

Edited February 24, 2017 by Qwinn