AdenYeshua Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) I've spent the last four months combing every square inch of this game, and yet you felt that your memory was superior, even after I had to repeat that they don't exist half a dozen times. And this, you previously called "respect".This is what I mean the arrogance, by your own logic you've done it, that it, you've fixed all possible bugs and found absolutely everything. "Because you've played it" incidentally meaning you can be told nothing. That is your logic, isn't it? You can only have it one-way Qwinn. Forget it, Forget I even live.Melodrama aside, you don't belong in that potential you are trying to include yourself in. As you did not intro with these points when you started proving this is not what you originally thought. Only after digging did you finally come to this theory. Edit: I have changed my stance more times than I wanted to. First I thought that it was simply a mistake as did everyone else I have come into contact with, hence the mod, then I changed to the church might have had some involvement, then I changed again and realized that Templars could help others autonomously, then I changed again and realized Redcliffe may have made an effort. What I can't leap is the "giant" effort you are trying to illustrate. Just isn't there. I know you believe in Genarivi without guards or any real help outside of some unknown amount of funding. What if it was a single copper? Would you stick to your story? The thing is you don't know. You're making it up. People often project themselves it is you that's unmovable, as pointed out not me. Edited June 14, 2017 by AdenYeshua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sialivi Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Actually, before I go, let's ask the class! Hey, everybody! Did any single one of you - all it will take is one! - notice that the Chantry made a big effort to find the Urn at the end of the game? Or did that escape every single person who played this game when they saw the Chantry try and fail on multiple occasions to kill a dragon to get to it? Been nearly 3 years since my last playthrough, but I certainly remember them making efforts. To be honest, this particular bug is one that never stood out for me until someone released a bugfix for it. I thought the bugfix made sense, even though I wasn't 100% sure about the devs intent, but you can't always be 100% sure. Even though I have obsessive compulsive tendencies when it comes to bugs in games, this particular one doesn't bother me one way or the other. Maybe I will have stronger opinions in my upcoming playthrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Gentivi's various interjections (dialogue and codex) were plenty to give me the idea that the Chantry was actively supporting a search for the UoSA, and (depending on how you played it) that they made a huge deal about it once it was found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdenYeshua Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Actually, before I go, let's ask the class! Hey, everybody! Did any single one of you - all it will take is one! - notice that the Chantry made a big effort to find the Urn at the end of the game? Or did that escape every single person who played this game when they saw the Chantry try and fail on multiple occasions to kill a dragon to get to it?Been nearly 3 years since my last playthrough, but I certainly remember them making efforts. To be honest, this particular bug is one that never stood out for me until someone released a bugfix for it. I thought the bugfix made sense, even though I wasn't 100% sure about the devs intent, but you can't always be 100% sure. Even though I have obsessive compulsive tendencies when it comes to bugs in games, this particular one doesn't bother me one way or the other. Maybe I will have stronger opinions in my upcoming playthrough. That is my entire argument rolled into one, the fact that you didn't know for sure is the debate. Because it's quite buried and takes multiple connect the dots, don't let Qwinn fool you he had absolutely no idea early on as well. It took multiple playthroughs and a few hundred deep dives into the toolkit for it to come togeather. EDIT: @Thandal not even that is the debate, Gentivi obviously had an involvement, only a fool would argue otherwise. The debate shifted to a deep effort somehow. To me, Gentivi does not count as a deep effort, one brother, with no guards, and an unknown pay does not count as a deep effort. Neither does the epilog count as a real effort, not when you are talking about the scope of the Chantry. Also, the meaning and implications of this, as all stated throughout this thread it leaves very much open, this has to be the dumbest order to give anyone ever. One that would have gotten the entire staff of Redcliffe chantry hanged. The left the Church vulnerable to do a content wide Easter egg hunt to almost no end. The fact is if a Knight Commander or higher rank got wind of this not only would the knights be recalled from there almost cartoon level mission the commanders be put to death of kicked from the order. I do admit I was asking for it when I said "everyone" there is always a group that comes out of nowhere that claims they always believed in X____________. Edited June 15, 2017 by AdenYeshua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLymond Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I've spent the last four months combing every square inch of this game, and yet you felt that your memory was superior, even after I had to repeat that they don't exist half a dozen times. And this, you previously called "respect".This is what I mean the arrogance, by your own logic you've done it, that it, you've fixed all possible bugs and found absolutely everything. "Because you've played it" incidentally meaning you can be told nothing. That is your logic, isn't it? You can only have it one-way Qwinn. Forget it, Forget I even live.Melodrama aside, you don't belong in that potential you are trying to include yourself in. As you did not intro with these points when you started proving this is not what you originally thought. Only after digging did you finally come to this theory.Edit: I have changed my stance more times than I wanted to. First I thought that it was simply a mistake as did everyone else I have come into contact with, hence the mod, then I changed to the church might have had some involvement, then I changed again and realized that Templars could help others autonomously, then I changed again and realized Redcliffe may have made an effort.What I can't leap is the "giant" effort you are trying to illustrate. Just isn't there. I know you believe in Genarivi without guards or any real help outside of some unknown amount of funding. What if it was a single copper? Would you stick to your story? The thing is you don't know. You're making it up. People often project themselves it is you that's unmovable, as pointed out not me. No, AdenYeshua. I think the point is not that Qwinn "knows all". It's that because of the enormous amount of detailed work he has done over the past several months he can easily provided copious amounts of in-game evidence for his positions. You, on the other hand, have provide almost none. In fact, you seem to have mostly relied on your (erroneous) memory and (apparently unlimited) ability to invent motivations, events, and circumstances that simply aren't present in the game at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdenYeshua Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) No, AdenYeshua. I think the point is not that Qwinn "knows all". It's that because of the enormous amount of detailed work he has done over the past several months he can easily provided copious amounts of in-game evidence for his position(s). You, on the other hand, have provide almost none. In fact, you seem to have mostly relied on your (erroneous) memory and (apparently unlimited) ability to invent motivations, events, and circumstances that simply aren't present in the game at all. I love when people dogpile if you had actually been following what is going on here you would know I've stated there isn't very much to go on. I guy is dead on a road with a note, everything else (both Qwinn and mine) circumstance surrounding this is pure conjecture. Your invaluable insight in this matter can certainly be added to approximately zero but I will indulge you none the less. I agree Qwinn knowledge on matters pertaining to this game is vast, probably better than mine or most. But you cannot do what he did, and what you're backing him up on and make generalities and just blanketly say he's more knowledgeable then well... really anyone. IF you had been following from the beginning we both thought he was a Knight that belonged to two orders the Templars and Redcliffe I also pointed out that he reports to Redcliffe which Qwinn acknowledged he "didn't think of that" now while I can legitimately say I challenged his way of thinking and we both have a better understanding of the situation, you come swooping in here making generalised statements about me which are not only incorrect but proven wrong. Thanks for being his cheerleader though he needs it that man needs a Xanax or something. Edited June 15, 2017 by AdenYeshua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLymond Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Oh, I have been "following what's been going on" with this mod since the beginning. All 85 pages and counting. And, like many others who haven't commented, I've been waiting for Qwinn to say that ver. 3.0 was ready for prime time before trying it. But the absurdity of your statements, combined with the passion of your defence of them when challenged by the facts, caused me to chime in early. I wasn't "cheerleading" for him, I was calling you out. Big difference. You didn't "challenge his thinking" in any meaningful way. You caused him to waste over a day considering and refuting your nonsense. And the only one in need of a Xanax is, well, you. The rest of us are either amused at your antics, or tired of trying to explain how misguided they are. (Or both.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdenYeshua Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Oh, I have been "following what's been going on" with this mod since the beginning. All 85 pages and counting. And, like many others who haven't commented, I've been waiting for Qwinn to say that ver. 3.0 was ready for prime time before trying it. But the absurdity of your statements, combined with the passion of your defence of them when challenged by the facts, caused me to chime in early. I'm sorry, that's even worse I gave you much more credit than that... I wasn't "cheerleading" for him, I was calling you out. Big difference. Not really, looks like cheerleading to me. You didn't "challenge his thinking" in any meaningful way. You caused him to waste over a day considering and refuting your nonsense. And the only one in need of a Xanax is, well, you. The rest of us are either amused at your antics, or tired of trying to explain how misguided they are. (Or both.) Maybe in the last day or two but this was going on for months. That is why it made it into the patch in the first place, he originally thought something, I changed that, he challenged me to defend it. Because (at least initially) he wanted to see the other side. We both had it wrong, at first. IF you had been following you would know this. I'm glad you speak for "the rest of us" I'll make sure I contact you when I need a Mocha Latte since you speak for the human race I'd like to have a nice long PM I have so many questions. EDIT: In closing, I was asked to do a task by Qwinn, though I doubt he'd ask me again, I'd debate -any- point right or wrong as hard as I could, because of that how it's done. To get what he received from this exchange, a better understanding of the subject matter. I'd do it again though I prefer a bit more "meat on the bone" more than a dead guy with a note that could still honestly go either way. Because I respect Qwinn, the guy needs to cool off but he's generally likable enough. He won't admit it but he did benefit (albeit slightly) but next time gives me more to work with. Something honestly TYMound you will never understand. You admittedly and shamelessly stood by while he was asking questions, and asking assistance only to claim the fruit after?! I cannot respect you as I do him. I can't even imagine anyone would want yours. Edited June 15, 2017 by AdenYeshua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViktoriaLanders Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Aden, let's move on please.This fixpack provides more than a thousand fixes, it is extremely unproductive for the scope of this mod if we continue to focus our energy and time into a single and minor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdenYeshua Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Aden, let's move on please. This fixpack provides more than a thousand fixes, it is extremely unproductive for the scope of this mod if we continue to focus our energy and time into a single and minor one.Absolutely, agreed. Though I think it's 700 and he's retracting a few, but never the less agreed. Edited June 15, 2017 by AdenYeshua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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