sarac Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 People always asked them selfs,are we alone in universe? ARE WE ALONE??? ...who will answer on this question,and are we ever gonna get answer? Do you guys believe in extraterrestrial beings? ...and what do you think,what are they meaning to do,maybe smack us all,or just come to a friendly visit......who knows maybe they are watching us all the time,studying us and stuff... ...tell me,what do you think? Here are some videos from YouTube which are very interesting,some are long,but check them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJAEVjJtMuU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqFv9nDdkEA...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewY56Pz1gHw...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVgkUq75Sng...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hy6qcRZkU...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU7Q4xzQiuo...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentWeevil2077 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I highly doubt there are extraterrestrial beings out there in the universe wanting to come visit us, but I am certainly open to the idea of extra-solar life being a very real possibility. I am also open to the idea of other terrestrial-like planets that are able to support complex ecosystems like here on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 The first video is obviously fake. It's even called "SpoofTube." You can't honestly believe anything from that, can you?I think life undoubtedly exists, but much of it probably isn't intelligent life, and much of the intelligent life that does exist is too far away for communication. According to the Drake equation (with current estimated values), there are, at best, two planets with intelligent life in our galaxy that we can have any hope of communication with. That's not very good. So, I believe that intelligent life exists, but it has never contacted us. Now, I'm not doubting that people have seen things, but I don't think it's aliens. Why would the government want to hide that? I think it's, instead, high tech research into things we can only dream of for the explicit purpose of war, like the atomic bombs. I think the government is using the 'alien conspiracy' to cover up their research. In their tests, they purposely make things look like alien spacecraft to fuel the fires. I wouldn't even doubt that the government 'abducts' people to preform mock experiments just to further the thought of aliens.Obviously, I have no proof, and, therefore, will not debate it, but I'm just saying that I think the government is secretly creating even more massive tools of war. Besides, this makes more sense than aliens, no matter how insane it sounds, and it sounds pretty insane. Also, you have to ask yourself, "Wouldn't aliens want to stay away from warmongers like us?" We continuously fight over every little thing. If the aliens made themselves known, we'd probably haste our space travel and weapon research so we could go out there are kill them. At least, that's what I would think if I were an alien. Just look at our past. The 30 Years War was the bloodiest war in history, up to that point, and was fought between Catholics and Protestants. It's not like it was even two completely different religions. Countless people were slaughtered because of various minute differences. Just imagine what we'd do, or at least attempt to do, to the aliens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm open to the idea of life being out there, I'm similarly open to the idea of intelligent life, I'm less open, but don't think I'd even be TOO surprised if they had visited this planet. As much as we like to think we know it all, I think there's a lot out there we don't. Science is brittle; new discoveries are made every day and theories thought to be solid are often disproven and replaced with new up-to-date theories. What isn't possible today may be possible tomorrow. I wouldn't rule out aliens as much as I wouldn't rule out there being a deity of some kind. That's not a religious debate, merely a sign of how open I am to both ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenxander Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Statistically it’s virtually impossible that our solar system is the only one which evolved life and then again intelligent life (the fundamental rule of intelligent life is the ability to be self-aware and the whole philosophical “I am” statement). However due to the vastness of space (even between stars, much less throughout the galaxy and much LESS between galaxies, the chances of two space worthy races communicating are, with current technology, virtually nil. Plus if the galaxy were like Star Wars or Star Trek and just teaming with life, it really would throw a damper or the preverbal monkey wrench into the machine of men (at least for the group I’m referring to in this statement) who have this superiority complex and “the universe revolves around us” principle (metaphorically). This is something I would love actually, because I like to “stir the pooe up” and rile fundamentalist thinking :D That whole “man is the center of the universe” was derived from…. Well… I know where it comes from - I took college astronomy and one of the chapters was about Galileo, Copernicus, and other such men who really wanted answers instead of ‘belief’ and who didn’t believe in the “we were where it’s at” principle. I personally would love to find out we are ‘not alone’ but until we develop ‘faster than light’ travel by some sort of space-folding method (a ‘la Dune style), we’ll never know. Yet I do feel we as a species are ‘just out of the trees’. We’re not as evolved and superior as we’d like to think. Think about all the funky things mankind does that no other species that aren’t as ‘evolved’ do, like murder (for fun) and necrophilia, and dozens more examples of how mankind is a bit ‘screwy’. And you wonder why a UFO doesn’t just float down and say hello? *smirks* But I think it doesn’t matter in the long – run. Humans has such short life spans, unless it’s your job to answer this question, just make the most of your own life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Plus if the galaxy were like Star Wars or Star Trek and just teaming with life, it really would throw a damper or the preverbal monkey wrench into the machine of men (at least for the group I’m referring to in this statement) who have this superiority complex and “the universe revolves around us” principle (metaphorically). This is something I would love actually, because I like to “stir the pooe up” and rile fundamentalist thinking :DThat's where we run into the Fermi Paradox. If the galaxy was full of life, we'd know. We'd have known a lot sooner. There'd be evidence such as space probes from other civilisations which just don't exists, radio transmissions from others that we've never received, etc. Also, we'd have found lights from other planets. Here's a picture of what Earth looks like at night. Our lights are plainly visible from space. Unless the other intelligent life lives underground, we'd see them.That's not to say alien life doesn't exist, it's just that there isn't much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenxander Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 We wouldn't know... our own tech has 'just left our own solar system', referring to Challenger I. Even if a race were just five systems "that way", it would take upwards of 1000 years for any STL (slower than light) probe to get to us. Even radio waves that travel 'at light speed' still would take about 16,000 years to travel the berth of the galaxy and we've only had waves strong enough to reach space for the last 70 or so years. Alpha Centauri is only 4.7 light years away but it's clear no life exisist there.. but there are starts that are still a few hundred light years away - still in our back yards, that we must wait centuries for our waves to get to them and still centuries later for their waves to reach us if they receive ours, this is providing they are a culture with radar.. if they are a culture much like our Medieval or ancient greek days, they will not hear our signals for another thousand years.. you see? they could be out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 We wouldn't know... our own tech has 'just left our own solar system', referring to Challenger I. Even if a race were just five systems "that way", it would take upwards of 1000 years for any STL (slower than light) probe to get to us. Even radio waves that travel 'at light speed' still would take about 16,000 years to travel the berth of the galaxy and we've only had waves strong enough to reach space for the last 70 or so years. Alpha Centauri is only 4.7 light years away but it's clear no life exisist there.. but there are starts that are still a few hundred light years away - still in our back yards, that we must wait centuries for our waves to get to them and still centuries later for their waves to reach us if they receive ours, this is providing they are a culture with radar.. if they are a culture much like our Medieval or ancient greek days, they will not hear our signals for another thousand years.. you see? they could be out there.Who's to say they didn't evolve before us, advanced quicker than us, and advanced further than us? For all we know, intelligent life could have existed elsewhere for millions of years! If they have, they would have undoubtedly have had radio waves and probes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenxander Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Yes I had that thought once too.. then alone one night (yeah good thoughts seem to come at night :P ) I figured this out. 2 billion years ago, a race evolved into intelligent beings and started to space travel... they lasted for 20,000 years before they destroyed themselves (I say this because I do feel that every culture eventually causes it's own demise one way or another.. so I made that assumption - which assumption is how most theories generate so give me credit for that at least). so they died out in 20,000 years.. another 16,000 and all their signals left the galaxy. so that's only 36,000 years. Now given the chances of evolution creating an intelligent and space-faring race are slim, I'd wager every 100,000 years another one comes along. still race #2 didn't know race #1 existed until they space - travel and find ruins and architecture, just like we find ancient civs here on earth only they did it on other planets. so now the are the dominant 'galaxy' race.. rinse and repeat. My suggestion is that we are the "next in line" for this fate and when we go, another race will find our remains scattered across the stars. but it IS... possible that two or more evolve at the same time but maybe they do so at other ends of the galaxy or at least far enough away so that radio waves never hit each other before one or the other 'dies' or goes 'extinct'. I know I'm being over-simplistic in some of these assertations but all in all i feel they make a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 20,000 years? That's how long you think we'll last? Then we should already be dead. Modern humans have been around for about 130,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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