Need serious help with my game. Keeps on freezing

[Aurawhisperer]

I am wanting to go back to the original game because SE just doesn't have the great mods that the original has. Including mods that are not "of" the nexus site, and some may never reach or see the light of SE. With all that said, I am trying to use ENB to boost performance and mayhap the graphics of the original.

 

I hear great things about these graphic mods. I have read every piece of intel onto what to do, starting with RealVision, and my game can still not pass Whiterun. It keeps on freezing. So I erase and try Vivid landscapes, and it still freezes. I have tried uninstalling some heavy mods like Warzone, and even then, it still freezes. I do not know what to do!

 

Thus, I am of serious help. I'll start by showing my mod list:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Falskaar.esm
7 7 SexLab.esm
8 8 Devious Devices - Assets.esm
9 9 ApachiiHair.esm
10 a ApachiiHairFemales.esm
11 b Campfire.esm
12 c ZaZAnimationPack.esm
13 d Heretical Resources.esm
14 e ZazExtensionPack.esm
15 f SexLabAroused.esm
16 10 Devious Devices - Integration.esm
17 11 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
18 12 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
19 13 BeeingFemale.esm
20 14 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
21 15 UndergroundBathhouse.esm
22 16 daymoyl.esm
23 17 HighResTexturePack01.esp
24 18 HighResTexturePack02.esp
25 19 HighResTexturePack03.esp
26 1a Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
27 1b Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
28 1c Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
29 1d SkyUI.esp
30 1e Convenient Horses.esp
31 1f Dual Sheath Redux.esp
32 20 XPMSE.esp
33 21 FNIS.esp
34 22 FNIS_PCEA2.esp
35 23 FNISSexyMove.esp
36 24 SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
37 25 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
38 26 VioLens.esp
39 27 SDpatch - frostfall.esp
40 28 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
41 29 MilkModNEW.esp
42 2a MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp
43 2b MilkModNEW CF.esp
44 2c MilkModNEW HF.esp
45 2d MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
46 2e MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp
47 2f SOS - Hormones UNP Addon.esp
48 30 SexLab Attraction.esm
49 31 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
50 32 BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
51 33 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
52 34 ELFX - Hardcore.esp
53 35 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp
54 36 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
55 37 ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
56 38 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
57 39 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
58 3a RealShelter.esp
59 3b OBIS.esp
60 3c FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
61 3d RSPatch.esp
62 3e AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
63 3f Better Vampires.esp
64 40 Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp
65 41 ELFX - Weathers.esp
66 42 Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp
67 43 Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp
68 44 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
69 45 Holidays.esp
70 46 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
71 47 Extra Guards.esp
72 48 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
73 49 xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
74 4a TheGuildMaster.esp
75 4b KailanahFollower.esp
76 4c Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
77 4d sanguinesDebauchery.esp
78 4e buildablehouse.esp
79 4f Immersive Weapons.esp
80 50 SimpleSlavery.esp
81 51 Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
82 52 Immersive Patrols II.esp
83 53 Frostfall.esp
84 54 Sneak Tools.esp
85 55 SexLab_Hormones.esp
86 56 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
87 57 Devious Deviants.esp
88 58 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
89 59 LoversComfort.esp
90 5a iNeed.esp
91 5b Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Hunterborn_BlacksmithChest_Patch.esp
92 5c Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Requiem-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp
93 5d iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
94 5e Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
95 5f OBISDB.esp
96 60 MorePP.esp
97 61 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
98 62 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
99 63 Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
100 64 AMatterOfTime.esp
101 65 Purewaters.esp
102 66 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
103 67 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
104 68 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
105 69 ub_apachii_hair.esp
106 6a ub_cell_bedroom.esp
107 6b ub_cell_darkarea.esp
108 6c ub_cell_maintenance_room.esp
109 6d ub_cell_teleportroom.esp
110 6e ub_adoption_hearthfire_extention.esp
111 6f ub_tapestry.esp
112 70 ub_invite_any_npc.esp
113 71 SexLabDefeat.esp
114 72 RaceMenu.esp
115 73 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
116 74 ELE_Fs_Lite.esp
117 75 Vividian - Torches Preset.esp
118 76 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
119 77 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp
120 78 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
121 79 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
122 7a ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
123 7b Open Cities Skyrim.esp
124 7c Open Cities Skyrim - Holidays.esp
125 7d Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
126 7e Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp
127 7f Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

Now here are my specs:

 

Geforce GTX 960 4gb VRAM

16 RAM

AMD 8 core Black Edition

 

If needing my skyrimPref.ini, or ENBseries.ini, just say the word.

 

Is my system even strong enough for this kind of setup?

[Varichi]

If you're talking about the Special Edition, you should ask in the Special Edition forum. Our tips here are not going to be of much help.

 

If you're talking original Skyrim, then your system looks fine to me. Of course, this doesn't factor texture or graphics replacers. One thing I can say for certain is that uninstalling a mod like Warzones midsave is suicide for that save. I don't use most of the types of mods you have listed, so I can't say there, but the first thing I will ask is to make sure you have FNIS. You will certainly need it for those types of mods and will likely need a compatibility skeleton installed, such as this one. There are others, this is just a popular example.

 

Is the game actually freezing or is it straight up crashing?

[Aurawhisperer]

It freezes whenever I reach up to Whiterun. I have to use alternative life to pass the vanilla because the prologue is that broken to get by (flying carts, dying horses, etc etc.)

 

What about ENB? Is that another reason why?

 

Also update from last night, I tried a new save file and went through the whiterun household as alternative life, and it CTD on me. Might be because I need to verify the game cahe to collect any missing files from all the ENBoost installation I've previously done and now I'm just using ENB.

[Aurawhisperer]

Able to troubleshoot some things and the results are rather weird.

Open Cities lead to a infinite loop, and AI Overhaul crashes.

 

Now I have face bugs for the females, but I'm assuming that's due to the old texture boosts I was using, thus have to reinstall mature skin for the texture again

[Kroekr]

Have you run LOOT?

[Varichi]

Your issue regarding the carts and horses sounds like a common bug that people get when their FPS goes over 60. The game's engine more or less breaks when the framerate goes over 60, so you have to limit it.

 

Again, did you install the compatibility skeleton? Is your FNIS version up to date (and did you include the "arm fix" when patching it)? With that many mods you will also likely need a Bashed and/or Merged Patch. As Kroekr suggested, run LOOT as well if you have not. You seem to be having a lot of random issues that I don't think I have the expertise to tie to one mod or one type of mod. You may have to disable them in chunks until you can narrow which one is causing your issue.

 

That said, it seems like Open Cities would affect many of the areas you're having trouble with. Open Cities, being as large as it is in scope, as a lot of compatibility patches for other mods. Have you insured that you have all that you need? I don't see any in your load order other than the one for Holidays.

 

RealShelter and RSPatch (you did run the patcher utility, right? It wouldn't crash your game or anything, but the mod wouldn't work correctly without it) should be at the end of your load order. You have both Vividian for Climates or Tamriel and Vanilla, and also Natural Lightings and Vivid Atmospherics, plus ELFX. I do not believe that these would cause a crash, but have you verified that this setup is compatible? Lastly, a lot of your sex mods may not be compatible. A lot of these mods aren't really vetted as well as others for compatibility. Are you sure that they are all compatible with each other? Just because they rely on the same framework and are recognized by FNIS does not mean that they won't step on each others' toes. These are just things to think about mostly, as I can't really come up with any specifics off the top of my head as to what could be responsible for your issues.

[Aurawhisperer]

Well I finally figured out how to install the memory patch the right way, and testing from alternative to breezehome spawning, I'm able to load the full view of whiterun without CTD or freezing; however, I notice major lag when going outside the city and facing directly towards it. Seems very little I can do on that part, for this is an older engine with breakable flaws that cannot be met.

 

That's my old load order by the way. Took out all of ENB support with exception of ENB .308. Went through the STEP process under the older one, which is .292, but the game still works just fine. May try and attempt to reinstall some of those ENB mods, and this time, not copy/paste the enblocal.ini like I done before. I do believe that's the issue with all the crashing that kept on going.

 

Either that or all this CTD/Freeze crap is all due to the lack of a memory patch.

 

As for LOOT, I always run it. Though I have to move some mods around, like open cities and AI overhaul to the top of the list to ensure they're loaded first to prevent CTD or freezes. Two heavy mods out of Frostfall.

 

Skeleton mod is proper. I always run FNIS whenever new animations or skeletons are install/reinstall. Only thing that I've yet done is run TES5edit to clean the files that are dirty. For right now though, that's last priority until I get rid of this CTD/freezing. Unless that too is another reason it can happen.

[Varichi]

Are you using the memory patch or Crash Fixes? Crash Fixes kind of makes the memory patch outdated by allowing Skyrim to tap into your total system memory, thus removing the memory limit instead of simply expanding it.

 

Now, keep in mind that this is will help with things like texture mods and other things that eat up memory, but if you have a lot of script mods, the Papyrus engine can get clogged and cause a lot of lag. Frostfall, while it is one of my favorite mods, is absolutely deadly on the Papyrus system because it uses so many scripts. A lot of the sex mods out there are heavily scripted too. The bad thing about that is disabling script mods midsave can cause issues like save bloat, crashes immediately or much later on down the road, and orphaned scripts that still affect the game even after the mod has been deactivated. This is the main reason people say not to disable mods midsave. A lot of script heavy mods have uninstall procedures to remove their scripts, and the Savegame Script Scalpel attempts to help manage delinquent scripts in existing saves.

 

That said, if script overload is an issue, I would download a clean save from the Nexus (just search for them, there are plenty just for this purpose) and disable the mods you think are script heavy, and load the save to see if your game is still having the issue. That can help narrow it down.

[SinbadStackpole]

What is SDpatch - frostfall.esp and why is it located before Frostfall? If it's a patch, it should go after Frostfall.

Don't rely blindly on LOOT, as it's not perfect. The best is checking each mod's page for load order problems. Is Frosfall version 2.6 or lower (imcompatible with Frostfall) or a higher version? You are using plenty of mods that use heavy scripting. Do you have SSE or Old Rim (pre Sepcial edition)? SSE is 64-bit and help a lot to prevent CTD and freezes. If you have the 32-bit edition (Old Rim), even with tons of RAM in your computer and graphic card, you'll hit the 4 GB memory limit.

“Skyrim will crash at or around a reported 3.1 gigabytes of RAM usage, which is fairly widely known. Skyrim mirrors its active textures in memory, and since it is a 32-bit application with a 4GB memory limit, this constrains the total size of modded textures that are viably usable,” the post says. “The exact VRAM:RAM ratio is not known, but one metric reported was a texture pack taking up ~500MB VRAM would consume approximately 430MB physical RAM.” source: http://www.pcgamer.com/skyrim-special-edition-will-be-64-bit-promising-big-things-for-modders/

Edited January 25, 2017 by SinbadStackpole

[Algabar]

Are you using the memory patch or Crash Fixes? Crash Fixes kind of makes the memory patch outdated by allowing Skyrim to tap into your total system memory, thus removing the memory limit instead of simply expanding it.

 

Basically that's right - if you preload "crash fixes" and set "UseOSAllocators=1" in your crashfixplugin.ini, you don't need the memory patch. Having it still in your SKSE.ini wouldn't hurt either, since it's simply ignored. Problem is, that "UseOSAllocators=1" and preloading crash fixes doesn't necessarily make your game more stable. In my case it was counterproductive. It made my game crash more. So I went back to "UseOSAllocators=0" and the good old memory patch. You just have to test what works best for you. "Crash fixes" still helps a lot, even in combination with Shesons memory patch.

 

To the OP:

 

When working with ENB presets, never just copy a premade enblocal.ini. Adjust the values to your system.

 

Some other things I noticed:

- XPMSE is quite high in your load order. It should be as low as possible to make sure nothing from it is overwritten by anything.

- You got loads of script heavy mods. From what I've seen so far, I'd say you're "living on the razor's edge" concerning papyrus load. If it works, alright. But all those scripted mods together ARE risky IMHO.

- Don't use "ELFX weathers" together with "Climates of Tamriel". Since both change the weather, these are conflicting mods. Choose one or the other.

- I don't see a TES5MergedPatch and a bashed patch (created with Wrye Bash) in your load order. While the latter might not be of much use for yoo, since you haven't got many weapon and armor mods installed, that might lead to loot table conflicts, I'd recommend using a merged patch to minimize mod conflicts.

 

EDIT: Sry for necroing an old thread. Didn't look at the dates... :ohmy:

Edited January 26, 2017 by Algabar