freddycashmercury Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I apologize if you thought I was serious. I was, of course, exagerrating. Obviously, rabid chimps could not run a country. My point was that yes, we could do a better job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddycashmercury Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I assure you, I have no problems with your people. I was unaware that chimp is a derogatory term. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 We're drifting from the topic here. I'm not sure that we were asked whether the country could be better run, just whether politicians were lacking certain basic human attributes. I think you have to be of a certain specific mind set to go into politics in the first place. Whether the propensity to being dishonest is part of it I don't know but to survive in politics it's something that has to be learned pretty quickly. Initially the odd bit of covering up here, or misinformation there may be unimportant. Sometimes a politician may have to cover up the truth for national security. After a while it becomes a habit. And sometimes I believe it is not even intentional. The latest round of scandals in the UK seem to involve the MP paying family members inflated salaries at the taxpayers expense for work they arguably didn't do or even needed to do. (The EU government is much much worse but since they have no higher level regulators they simply cover up all criticism.) These MPs seem to be surprised that others think it inappropriate. But, as I said before, we do seem to want our MPs to be more than human. In most walks of life a married man having an affair with another woman would not cause him to lose his job. A man who used prostitutes or picked up men in gay bars might cause a raised eyebrow but again would probably not result in them being dismissed. (I'll except anything connected to religion.) Does it matter whether President Clinton smoked pot in his youth or Bush was an alcoholic? Of course not. So why do we try to make issues out of these things? That is where society (encouraged by the media), in claiming that public figures cannot have private lives, reinforces the need for dishonesty. Any government member has to be FINANCIALLY scrupulous. Their sexual peccadilloes only matter when they publically adopt a position on an issue while conducting their lives in a manner contrary that position. But sadly such salacious information sells 'news'. So, whatever genetic make up leads on into politics, in the matter of dishonesty, society helps to make them the way they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 my point exactly, society is evil and must be reformed. That may be your point but it is not what I have said. It's a different topic completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I am very well aware of what I said. You may draw whatever conclusion you like but it is NOT my conclusion and nor do I agree with it. Please do not put words into my mouth. And if you wish to debate the matter further let us do it in PM as it is irrelevant to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesto Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Well... I blame myself, really. I was, afterall, the first one to mention sheep on this thread. And what do I find when I log on this AM: sheep EVERYWHERE! Or rather , one particular sheep. Are you for real Baah? I cannot believe that anyone, no matter where in the world they claim to be from, who attempts to write in the English language can get it as bollixed as you seem determined to do. And what's with all the posts on ALL the threads? Why do the words 'spam' and 'bot' immediately spring to mind? If you are real, and this is the only way that you can express yourself, my apologies, and sympathies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesto Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 I can't believe I'm doing this - having a conversation with someone whose reality I sincerely doubt - but here goes... I can't fault your English, Baah. But your typing sucks. And I do cherish the fact that I have a place in your heart. Really. Really. Really. Really. ....Oh! What's this!? I notice that ' someone ' has 'repotted' ( to quote Baah ) me. I tremble. I quake. I ... feel bored already. But I'm definitely taking root. Anyone want to help me get this thread back on the road? I'd try, but I might allude to livestock again... and look at the trouble that's caused already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenxander Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 There is always one in every family, crowd, group of random people: a Black Sheep. I find it odd that the voice of this black sheep is very pronounced and emotional, though in context fails to deliver sustenance. My points on this topic are already expressed on page one, but I post once more due to a compulsive and inexplicable urge to do this once more, as I have in one other thread:(posts a sign: Don't feed the Trolls)(bows respectfully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesto Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Thanks for the kickstart, xen. Be wary of mentioning the colour of the livestock, though. 'Someone' has their cursor permanently on the report button. And if 'he' doesn't do you for racism, he'll do you for multiple posting. Of course the latter would be a perfect case of 'the pot calling the kettle...another colour'. One thing is certain, though. 'He's' no politician. A pol would have finessed all of this so much better, and contrived to make all the rest of us feel guilty for pointing out the fact that the 'man' is a spamming fool. Which brings me, neatly I think, to my original question. Are they a subspecies? The fact that pols spend so much time and energy in covering their own backsides, all the time professing to be doing everything in the ' interests' of the people, makes me want to put them in the same category as viruses. They adapt to every new situation with an ease which is frightening. All the time maintaining that they haven't changed their position on such and such an issue at all. They show such contempt for their electorate's intelligence - quite rightly on occasion, unfortunately- that they BEHAVE as if they were detached from the humanity that they claim they represent. And with never an expression of shame until they get caught with their hands where they shouldn't be. The concept of basic honour - you say a thing and I will believe you until you prove to me that you are not to be trusted - seems alien to politicians. They give every indication of having the visceral impulse to lie, rather than to tell the truth which seems to be humanity's natural impulse. We could not have survived as a species if the element of the giving and receiving of trust was not hardwired into our make up. Politicians seem not to have this. Ergo: they are not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesto Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Baah... why would you think that xen was referring to you? You, being 'new' to this forum, probably don't know that xen runs a Troll sanctuary. One of his main difficulties is convincing the general public of their, the Trolls, dietary needs. Well meaning folks leave tit bits out for the Trolls and , before you can whistle 'Dixie' you've got a Troll with a serious gastric problem. And , Baah, I'm afraid you've completely lost me on your last query. BTW, I like my new pot. Thanks. But... as to the issue of this thread. Anything new and mindblowing you wish to share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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